WiFi 7 certified in the UK?

"The frequency bands 6 425-7 125 MHz in Region 1 and 7 025-7 125 MHz in Region 3 are identified for use by administrations wishing to implement the terrestrial component of International Mobile Telecommunications (IMT). This identification does not preclude the use of these frequency bands by any application of the services to which they are allocated and does not establish priority in the Radio Regulations. Resolution COM4/7 (WRC-23) applies.

The frequency bands are also used for the implementation of wireless access systems (WAS), including radio local area networks (RLANs).

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The above article is based on the GSMA press release – credit for being first to release, but claiming full victory when the reality is different.

Here’s the counter-argument: US wi-fi industry declares victory: https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech...-wrc-23?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter"
 
Grim5 said:
"The frequency bands 6 425-7 125 MHz in Region 1 and 7 025-7 125 MHz in Region 3 are identified for use by administrations wishing to implement the terrestrial component of International Mobile Telecommunications (IMT). This identification does not preclude the use of these frequency bands by any application of the services to which they are allocated and does not establish priority in the Radio Regulations. Resolution COM4/7 (WRC-23) applies.

The frequency bands are also used for the implementation of wireless access systems (WAS), including radio local area networks (RLANs).

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The above article is based on the GSMA press release – credit for being first to release, but claiming full victory when the reality is different.

Here’s the counter-argument: US wi-fi industry declares victory: https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech...-wrc-23?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter"
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The US had already authorised those bands for WiFi7. So the US WiFi industry is correct. The rest of the world is going to use those frequencies for 5G, except the UK where it might be a little bit of both. My gut says it will go 5G because they will want the money from the licence auction.
 
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Wifi7 routers do pull a bit of power though, you're looking at around 25 watts, so if you run a wifi7 router 24/7 that's around 220kWh per year powering your wifi. Though again, if you can afford a $800 router and multi gig fibre, then you surely can afford electricity as well
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Probably no more that any other router with fast ports, biggest issue I can see is you need an Intel CPU at the moment to drop in a wifi 7 card reliably, barely any of my machines have those, I'd happily drop on in my gaming portable for pulling games off the NAS but it has a Ryzen 7840, my laptop could use it too, it is Intel but non upgradeable wifi :(
 
Zefan said:
What is this figure? Idle, maximum, average calculated based on normal usage?
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Netgear claim their RS-700S pulls 30W and it comes with a 19V 3.16A PSU (60W) but in testing we typically saw 20-25W on the US import device we tested. A HUGE power draw is the 10GbE port. Anything SFP+ or 10GbE is big power.

Is it worth it? Personally I don’t think so. As long as you’re in the same room it really will deliver 3-4Gbps wireless but only in open space. Once you put a wall, door or ceiling in the way it’s basically gone and you’re relying on the 5GHz signal.
 
Reddit says the wifi alliance doesn't have the authority to ratify wifi7 and that their certification doesn't mean anything
 
Grim5 said:
Reddit says the wifi alliance doesn't have the authority to ratify wifi7 and that their certification doesn't mean anything
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Sort of. The bands that WiFi7 uses have been allocated to 5G in most countries other than the USA. In the UK the position is still fluid but will likely go with 5G. The USA has licenced those bands for WiFi. So basically WiFi7 is a goer in the USA, not so much everywhere else.
 
As has been said in the thread a few times but it is worth re-iterating again to everyone is that the 6ghz band is not very effective in the vast majority of UK homes.

It is blocked by walls so it will only work in the one room which hosts the AP and most people's broadband comes in at the corner of the house. It can't be used for mesh backhaul for the same reason and those that have gone out their way to cable up a centrally mounted access point will also be disappointed because it's often on a upstairs landing where the signal needs to go through a wall to get into every room.

Short of cabling up the whole house and putting an access point in every room you want those speeds, you'll not benefit. If you've cabled up every room you might as well cable up all the relevant devices doing 'real work'. Most devices not doing 'real work' (e.g. consumption and IoT like 99% of devices in a home) could use WiFi 4 and you probably wouldn't notice.
 
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Agreed. I’ve never liked the new naming. The vast majority of consumers will be none the wiser and assume 7 means better for everything because it’s a higher number.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
As has been said in the thread a few times but it is worth re-iterating again to everyone is that the 6ghz band is not very effective in the vast majority of UK homes.

It is blocked by walls so it will only work in the one room which hosts the AP and most people's broadband comes in at the corner of the house. It can't be used for mesh backhaul for the same reason and those that have gone out their way to cable up a centrally mounted access point will also be disappointed because it's often on a upstairs landing where the signal needs to go through a wall to get into every room.

Short of cabling up the whole house and putting an access point in every room you want those speeds, you'll not benefit. If you've cabled up every room you might as well cable up all the relevant devices doing 'real work'. Most devices not doing 'real work' (e.g. consumption and IoT like 99% of devices in a home) could use WiFi 4 and you probably wouldn't notice.
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Sounds DOA if a standard like this only serves one room. WiFi 6 pretty much the limits of usable WiFi then? Won't ever get better delivering speeds at range?
 
XeNoNF50 said:
Sounds DOA if a standard like this only serves one room. WiFi 6 pretty much the limits of usable WiFi then? Won't ever get better delivering speeds at range?
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It’s not DOA in that there are improvements on top of WiFi 6 on 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz which shouldn’t be ignored but they are incremental like 6 was to 5.

My post was in direct reference to the ‘new*’ 6ghz bit and the headline speeds that will be marketed the snot out of to get people to buy routers and sell overpriced fibre solutions to watch net flicks at 40mb. In reality they will seldom be realised in the real world because of the inherent limitations of 6ghz and its very poor penetration of solid objects.

*yes I know 6E exists but unless you are a nerd, no one really know about it.

It’s more akin to the benefits from 5G which are mainly felt by the network and not the end user. The headline speeds achieved by mmWave 5G can be locked by a sheet of paper meaning you do actually need line of sight to take advantage of them.

6ghz is not that bad but normal people actually hide their routers away in alcoves and cupboards because they are ugly bits of tech with annoying flashing lights. That isn’t really going to work for 6ghz in that room, let alone any others when it’s blocked by walls.

To actually take advantage of the new 6ghz bit, you need a house with hardwired back haul with 6ghz access points in rooms you want those speeds. That’s great in an open plan office with hundreds of mobile clients, not so much in a house.

Then there is the power consumption issue. People are already recommending taking steps to stop mobile devices from using 6ghz if they support it because connecting to it destroys the battery and there is no realistic use case where you need a 4gb network connection.

In essence, my issue is not with wifi7 it’s the way in which it is going to be marketed to people who don’t know any better to get them to part with £hundreds in stuff they can’t actually use in reality.
 
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XeNoNF50 said:
Sounds DOA if a standard like this only serves one room. WiFi 6 pretty much the limits of usable WiFi then? Won't ever get better delivering speeds at range?
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Although 6Ghz is the headline (although I'm not sure why when 6E already had that), Wifi7 adds some new technologies that will boost throughput even on the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands
- A move to 4096-QAM encoding boosts each stream's data rate by 20%
- Multi-Link Operation (MLO) - feature that increases capacity by simultaneously sending and receiving data across different frequency bands and channels. (2.4 GHz, 5 GHz, 6 GHz) - in theory the marketing figure (where they add up all the different radio bandwidths), should now be achievable in certain instances

IEEE 802.11be - Wikipedia

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Yes the changes in Wifi6 improved handling of the older techs too, of course just because it can do these things they don't always work, the Pixel is wifi 7 but as yet can't do MLO, the One Plus can. Bound to get other things that won't work much like with other wifi standards where something's were optional, like 160Mhz on Wifi 5 and 6, I used this all the time, at release a lot of devices didn't support it.

I'm all good for it as soon as my hardware is supported, main rooms wired for 6E, most of my devices do 6E, some are upgradeable to 7.

I actually find 6E OK for backhaul between floors, not so much across house though, in a 1930s house.

Whilst there was a comment if you have cable your rooms you may as well hardwire devices that kills the convenience of wireless on a gaming handheld or a laptop etc. I transfer stuff back and forth on my AOKZOE to NAS as it only has a small drive and PC games are so big, and it is shared with family, means most space is taken up, so pulling a 100Gb game etc, off of NAS is a bit quicker than re-downloading it, but 6E only giving 1.6Gb/s still time consuming, doubling or tripling that would be nice.

Of course I could just fit an 4 or 8Tb SSD, it would be even more convenient, due to the level of strip down required on the Zoe to upgrade I'll likely do both drive and Wifi 7 at that same time on that device :D
 
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Someone tell me a usage scenario for WIFI7 where WIFI6 was not enough?
The power requirements are concerning for the routers.
What benefit does it bring over WIFI6 apart from out and out throughput? Do we need that extra throughput really? It will still be a wireless signal with higher latency than a hard wired gigabit connection...always.
 
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jaybee said:
Someone tell me a usage scenario for WIFI7 where WIFI6 was not enough?
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Mobile PC Gaming handhelds seems to be the only use case suggested so far.

I can't think of any other situation where it's needed - (although I'm clearly in the minority as apparently most people here need their full 1Gb internet connection available to their phone!)
 
Anywhere you want higher bandwidth, improved density handling and interoperability, target will be mobiles devices like laptops, to another high bandwidth device like a NAS or laptop for example.

People seem to always think Wifi is just for phones for some reason and that people all just sit at desktops or docking stations at home or in the office, weird.
 
Armageus said:
Mobile PC Gaming handhelds seems to be the only use case suggested so far.

I can't think of any other situation where it's needed - (although I'm clearly in the minority as apparently most people here need their full 1Gb internet connection available to their phone!)
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WIFI6 is fast enough for mobile devices even when gaming surely?
9.6Gbps theoretical max throughput of wifi 6 no?
 
sandys said:
Anywhere you want higher bandwidth, improved density handling and interoperability, target will be mobiles devices like laptops, to another high bandwidth device like a NAS or laptop for example.

People seem to always think Wifi is just for phones for some reason and that people all just sit at desktops or docking stations at home or in the office, weird.
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But you've not given an actual usage scenario. Just generic waffle. Why do you need to stream a movie from your NAS at more than 9.6Gbps? Why do you need to download a file from the network that fast? If you really have usage scenarios like that, you'd have 10gb ethernet hard wired.
 
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No, you just haven't read my post further above where I describe an exact scenario with my gaming handheld, a use case I use right now where wired is not a pleasant experience, now the truth is I do actually use a TB dock on the Zoe for this sometimes as yes 10Gb is far faster, but if I am sat lounging in the garden or front room etc I won't want to drag a wire with my laptop or games machine.
 
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