Will AMD use 3D?

lee20010 · 1 Dec 2011 at 23:59

As the title suggests, will AMD be using 3D anytime soon? I want to use 3D on my new screen, and I'm currently looking out for a 570/80 but I could happily wait if AMD have got something in mind?

TheRealDeal · 2 Dec 2011 at 00:18

They already use 3d. I can play 3d games on my lg 3d tv. If the game has a 3d mode just click the option for 3d and you have 3d. For games that are not made for 3d then i think you need a 3rd party 3d driver. I dont think they will make a 3d kit like nv as they want to go down an open road where almost any 3d glasses and monitors will work unlike nv's kit which is tied into there brand.

coupe69 · 2 Dec 2011 at 00:46

If you want to play games in 3D at the moment then unfortunately there's only really one option and that's Nvidia. Nvidias 3D vision is seamlessly built into all the latest drivers and can be used on the majority of games, how well the 3D is implemented can be a bit hit and miss dependant on game although there is a steadily growing number of "3D vision ready" games. It is however far superior to AMDs poorly supported efforts where you'll be relying on 3rd party drivers (iZ3D) that you have to pay extra for. Be warned though 3D is not for everyone and I recommend you give it a go first before splashing a wad of cash on it!

ennogs · 2 Dec 2011 at 01:08

coupe69 said:
If you want to play games in 3D at the moment then unfortunately there's only really one option and that's Nvidia. Nvidias 3D vision is seamlessly built into all the latest drivers and can be used on the majority of games, how well the 3D is implemented can be a bit hit and miss dependant on game although there is a steadily growing number of "3D vision ready" games. It is however far superior to AMDs poorly supported efforts where you'll be relying on 3rd party drivers (iZ3D) that you have to pay extra for. Be warned though 3D is not for everyone and I recommend you give it a go first before splashing a wad of cash on it!

Actually that is not true. I first played games in 3D about 8 - 9 years ago on a CRT monitor. A company called edimensional (if this is classed a competitor please delete) has been doing 3D long before Nvidia. As far as I am aware their system works with both Nvidia and ATI cards. It works with Win XP and Win 7. I also had a program from the same company that converted movies into 3D as you watched them. You didn't have to convert the movie first.

coupe69 · 2 Dec 2011 at 01:26

ennogs said:
Actually that is not true.

What's not true? We're talking about 3D now not 8-9 years ago :confused:

And nowhere in my post did I say there isn't other options available, I didn't mention DDD for example. I merely stated that at the moment there's really only one option if you want seamless 3D integration with minimal fuss.

Rroff · 2 Dec 2011 at 01:44

Tri-Def appears to be a reasonable alternative now but still doesn't have the level of testing/support the nVidia solution has not to mention the extra cost.

But as coupe69 said if you've not got much experience with gaming in 3D I'd reccomend testing it if possible before spending money on it. I leant my kit to a few other people I know who have 120Hz panels for gaming and no one was interested in long term useage for gaming after using it, most saw it as a novelty.

drunkenmaster · 2 Dec 2011 at 05:32

Its worth noting that tri-def seems to cost but comes free with most AMD compatible screens, I got it free with the Samsung 700D. I've actually yet to bother with 3d gaming, mostly because since I got it I've had like 6 uni projects to get in and honestly 3d gaming doesn't hold a huge amount of interest.

Watched a few 3d films, Avatar, horrible horrible bad bad film, looks ok and 3d effects vary between meh and very noticeable and some in a decent way. Other films are far less noticeable and barely worth it, and might be judging early but I assume gaming will be the same way.

Now gaming at 120hz, that's another matter entirely, games feel smoother, games that you have higher than 60fps frame rate feel awesome with 120hz and even games at or below 60fps feel "better", smoother, less tearing, just much nicer.

That was the main reason I got the screen, as a plus side which I wasn't really expecting with the panel being TN and not expecting a HUGE leap in image quality over another fairly recent TN........ wow, the Sammy panel is just freaking awesome.

Brightness, blacks, colour quality, the only downside of this is, next to my 2nd monitor it makes it look like utter filth to the point I can barely use it, so I might have to sink another £300 on a second one of these

With AMD anyway you can use, AFAIK, games intergrated options for 3d,(unless they are greyed out for Nvidia only), tri-def, iz3d(or whatever its called), and there are a couple other less well known ones.

None are perfect, and that goes for Nvidia as well, plenty of games just look wrong or are set up in such a way you end up with horrible artifacts and problems with 3d from everything I've read so far. The newer glasses are supposed to be decent while the older Nvidia glasses are supposed to be a bit "meh", but that is also partially the screen. Brightness lately with a couple years of LED displays experience seems to have gone through the roof, which helps dramatically for 3D, so whatever you do, nvidia or AMD I'd aim for a new and ultra bright screen(or capable of super brightness for 3d mode) and pretty much the newest pair of glasses around.

One of the upsides with not 3d vision is afaik the ability to update glasses for things like Samsung panels as there are an array of glasses with new ones constantly as they push the quality in terms of battery, charge, weight, ergonomics and actual quality of the lenses. I think with Nvidia you're pretty much stuck with the glasses till you get a new screen and new 3dvision version. Also with them liable to be broken, or the potential for wanting a second pair for friends/family to watch Nvidia are pretty much the most expensive way to buy the glasses.

Not downing on Nvidia, they were probably the first lot out so were always going to be the worst pair(well after 18-24 months anyway).

I "think" but am not sure that you can hack the Nvidia drivers to work on other screens with other glasses, I read people mention it but no proof or link to how to do it, might be worth looking into.

The S23A700D is just a epic screen, £100 cheaper than the 750D and aside from the base and a dvi instead of display port, the rest is identical for 25% less.

tommybhoy · 2 Dec 2011 at 09:58

Compatible games list with iZ3d:

http://www.iz3d.com/games

It works on a whole range of different 3D formats, so if you already have a 3D panel of some kind, you probably don't have to buy a new one.

I imagine the iz3d software is cheaper to buy than buying Nvidias 3d glasses and compatible monitor(not knocking Nvidia's implementation of 3D gaming in any way!), plus you get a 30 day trial, so if it's not for you, then it won't cost anything.

xsistor · 2 Dec 2011 at 10:02

As Apple demonstrated, there can be value in a closed platform consumer product -- i.e. high quality.
At least until the competition tries to emulate the same level of quality and catches up.

Perhaps at some point in the future there will be a more open 3D ecosystem that works seamlessly. We're quite far from that goal.

So for the best 3D experience and least headache with configurations etc, go NVIDIA. It just works.

tommybhoy · 2 Dec 2011 at 11:09

xsistor said:
As Apple demonstrated, there can be value in a closed platform consumer product -- i.e. high quality.
At least until the competition tries to emulate the same level of quality and catches up.

My ipod touch32Gb is lying in a drawer at home as it didn't catch my attention at all, tried the experience and it wasn't for me.

Android on the other hand suits my liking more, more versatile and free to do whatever you want with it.

xsistor said:
So for the best 3D experience and least headache with configurations etc, go NVIDIA. It just works.

Buy a Nvidia gpu/glasses at a cost of ~£200 after the hassles of selling his 6950 at a loss!

Seriously, fantastic advice for the op! :rolleyes:

He already has a 6950 and 3D screen, he can try out 3D with a simple download of software right now without so much as spending a single penny, if he doesn't like the experience, there has been no cost/hassles whatsoever!

I'm not saying Nvidia don't have the best support/implementation of 3D at all, they probably do, but suggesting someone sells up existing kit, then having to purchase new gear to try out 3d gaming with the real possibility of not even enjoying the experience at all is absurd.

Worst case scenario he could even induce severe migraines or headaches, so it really is terrible advice!

Tridef 3D(support for over 540 games) can be used as well with Amd:

xsistor · 2 Dec 2011 at 11:17

I never suggested he sell anything. By all means, try 3D the easiest way possible. That's the advice everyone else gave so no point in repeating. I was just saying NVIDIA has the best 3D tech around at the moment, and it may take a while for that to change.

As for Apple, I dislike apple too. I regret buying an iphone 4. And because I bought appstore software I went with an ipad 2. But android would;ve been better for me.

Then again, Apple and Android only differ on brand these days. They are very similar in performance and everything else. Especially the higher end android devices are just as good as apple products. There is a bigger gulf with 3D products. AMD hoping to use some open tech is only going to delay quality for some time to come. A few years at least, imo.

dvs20 · 2 Dec 2011 at 11:20

My only comment on this discussion is that I'm sickened / outraged (OK slight exaggeration, but I'm certainly irked) that AMD's 3D gaming isn't supported on the ONE card that has the horsepower to run it... their top of the range 6990. You'd think paying almost £600 you'd get at least the same features as card 1/6th of the price.

shanestatham · 2 Dec 2011 at 11:24

Some posts on here are absolute tosh. Im sorry but AMD's/ATI cards are on par with NVIDIA. NVIDIA have in house support for 3D where as ATI have 3rd party. I use Tri Def! Great piece of software allowing you to watch 3d movies, pictures and games. They even have forums where you can download user created 3d game profiles to use with NON 3D games.

I own a LG 3D TV, 6950 TOXIC, LG 3D Optimus and play, watch 3D content on a regular basis.

tommybhoy · 2 Dec 2011 at 11:47

xsistor said:
I never suggested he sell anything. By all means, try 3D the easiest way possible. That's the advice everyone else gave so no point in repeating. I was just saying NVIDIA has the best 3D tech around at the moment, and it may take a while for that to change.

It didn't come across that way.

xsistor said:
There is a bigger gulf with 3D products. AMD hoping to use some open tech is only going to delay quality for some time to come. A few years at least, imo.

Have you had first hand experience with both implementations or is it sheer speculation?

As the vast majority of us haven't even tried 3D gaming, myself included(I won't be trying anytime soon as it appears to me to be nothing but a gimmick), it's not as simple as trying both vendors for playing games/apps and picking who you prefer.

xsistor · 2 Dec 2011 at 11:51

Yes. 3D gaming (with active shutters) is incredible. It's much better than 3D Movies. At least out of the box it is the same as 3D Movies but when you get used to it and start fiddling with depth and convergence, that's when things really become different from 3D Movies.

wolvers · 2 Dec 2011 at 12:45

shanestatham said:
Some posts on here are absolute tosh. Im sorry but AMD's/ATI cards are on par with NVIDIA. NVIDIA have in house support for 3D where as ATI have 3rd party. I use Tri Def! Great piece of software allowing you to watch 3d movies, pictures and games. They even have forums where you can download user created 3d game profiles to use with NON 3D games.

I own a LG 3D TV, 6950 TOXIC, LG 3D Optimus and play, watch 3D content on a regular basis.

Which TV is it?

coupe69 · 2 Dec 2011 at 13:20

drunkenmaster said:
Not downing on Nvidia, they were probably the first lot out so were always going to be the worst pair(well after 18-24 months anyway).

Nvidia have just released 3D vision 2 which is considerably better.

tommybhoy said:
Have you had first hand experience with both implementations or is it sheer speculation?

As the vast majority of us haven't even tried 3D gaming, myself included(I won't be trying anytime soon as it appears to me to be nothing but a gimmick), it's not as simple as trying both vendors for playing games/apps and picking who you prefer.

So why exactly are you posting in here if you've got no experience with either implementation? What can you possibly bring to the table in this thread other than pure speculation and a bit of a troll?

To all the AMD fanatics in here getting their knickers in a twist, you do realise that AMD does not offer any official support for crossfire in 3D? A bit of an oversight when you consider a lot more horsepower is required when 3D gaming. Have a look here at the official DDD forums, there's plenty of people going nuts about this issue with several vowing never to buy AMD kit again. Here's just a few unhappy posts.

It just baffles me with crossfirex. Why isnt anyone from either DDD or AMD communicating to us the consumers about why there isnt yet crossfirex support? You have to have a steady 120 fps (60+60) to really get a good 3d experience, this is not working so great with just one 6970-card.

Want to try 3D out... but dont want to spend a ton of money on a monitor, have to disable crossfire lowering my performance, then run in 3D which will further reduce my performance....

I've really been losing faith in AMD lately, what with the poorly designed Bulldozer CPUs and their laziness with improving their HD3D technology. I'd be fully prepared to go AMD-exclusive in terms of GPUs if they would just get off their asses and get Crossfire working with 3D gaming. As it stands, I'm not even considering purchasing any of their products until they step up their game.

Oh and I've not even started on the severe lack of updates from either Tri-Def or IZ3D, good luck with these you could be waiting several months to get your new game to work properly in 3D. There's also the small issue of really ropey DX10 and DX11 support with both of these formats, ie it's pretty much non-existent!

To the OP. Like I said in my first post, see if you can give it a go first before spending a load of money on it just to make sure you like it. If you do enjoy gaming in 3D then sell your AMD card while it's still worth something and invest the money in 3D vision.

shanestatham · 2 Dec 2011 at 13:21

I have not got the model with me right now but its a 42" PLasma active shutter 3D telly, not smart tv but hey why do i need that when ive got a PC eh lol. i think it may be the 550? Got it for £360.

xsistor · 2 Dec 2011 at 13:28

coupe69 said:
Nvidia have just released 3D vision 2 which is considerably better.

So why exactly are you posting in here if you've got no experience with either implementation? What can you possibly bring to the table in this thread other than pure speculation and a bit of a troll?

To all the AMD fanatics in here getting their knickers in a twist, you do realise that AMD does not offer any official support for crossfire in 3D? A bit of an oversight when you consider a lot more horsepower is required when 3D gaming. Have a look here at the official DDD forums, there's plenty of people going nuts about this issue with several vowing never to buy AMD kit again. Here's just a few unhappy posts.

Oh and I've not even started on the severe lack of updates from either Tri-Def or IZ3D, good luck with these you could be waiting several months to get your new game to work properly in 3D. There's also the small issue of really ropey DX10 and DX11 support with both of these formats, ie it's pretty much non-existent!

To the OP. Like I said in my first post, see if you can give it a go first before spending a load of money on it just to make sure you like it. If you do enjoy gaming in 3D then sell your AMD card while it's still worth something and invest the money in 3D vision.

+1

tommybhoy · 2 Dec 2011 at 14:32

coupe69 said:
So why exactly are you posting in here if you've got no experience with either implementation? What can you possibly bring to the table in this thread other than pure speculation and a bit of a troll?

It's pure speculation that Tridef 3D works with Amd cards is it?

Hostility pointed at myself for daring to suggest he use Tridef 3D as nobody mentioned it?

Still got your nickers in a twist from us having a difference of opinion in another thread, get over it already!

Get a grip wo/man, I'm a troll for sugesting someone tries 3D for free with existing hardware to see whether they like it or not, seriously?

I post a video on how it's implemented, and I'm a troll for not knocking another gfx vendor, when it's not needed, do you seriously think there is 100% customer satisfaction with Nvidias 3d?

Your comment reeks of pure fanboism that trolls it's way throughout the forum(from both sides), you then proceeded to post negative comments about 3rd party 3D support!

AMD/Nvidia do not care one bit about any of us, all they want is our cash!

Why didn't Nvidia simply update firmware on the glasses instead of bringing out mark 2 versions?

Because they simply want more of your cash perchance?

When you grow out of blatent fanboism, then come back and call me a troll, until then you can curl up on the sofa with xsistor and share his Mad Scientist Green Glasses while drinking your hot green tea! :mad: