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Will Nvidia be selling 7nm graphic cards in 2019?
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That's what a lot of people say: 7nm is just around the corner, it's happening next year, it's imminent etc.
I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's going to be 2+ years before the next series, as was the case this time. If it does happen, I think they have to time it to this period next year. It's difficult to tell, as they've changed the lineup presentation and cost, and kept the prices up on the previous gen - is this a new structure going forward, or is this an effort to shift the quantities of pascal cards from their over mining of the crypto demand, and hence a unique situation?
In any event, I've elected to sit back and wait for now, seems to make sense to me. If 7nm is close, then that's the next major upgrade point.
I'm not so sure, although I don't think it's going to be 2+ years before the next series, as was the case this time. If it does happen, I think they have to time it to this period next year. It's difficult to tell, as they've changed the lineup presentation and cost, and kept the prices up on the previous gen - is this a new structure going forward, or is this an effort to shift the quantities of pascal cards from their over mining of the crypto demand, and hence a unique situation?
In any event, I've elected to sit back and wait for now, seems to make sense to me. If 7nm is close, then that's the next major upgrade point.
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Nah, my prediction is even if AMD get them out in 2019 it will be professional only, not desktop, i think we are looking at 2020 for 7nm
I mean, look at how even intel are struggling with even getting to 10nm
I hope I'm wrong as i loves me a new GPU
I mean, look at how even intel are struggling with even getting to 10nm
I hope I'm wrong as i loves me a new GPU
I've read that TSMC are sampling 7nm already, and going mass production for 2019 with 20 (?) customers lined up inc AMD and Nvidia?
It's guessed that Apple will be the first customer
But from what I've read Intel have had problems, but TSMC haven't?
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Typically mobile customers eat up a lot of early availability because they can pay more and their chips are typically much smaller so they are less likely to have yield issues which also lets them refine the process. AMD are saying they will have 7nm products out this year but they are also saying vega 20 (vega on 7nm) is going to be pro only, not desktop, which will have to wait for Navi.
I mean, nvidia started making 12nm chips in like May 2017, for HPC, then as a $3000 titan December 2017 and its now September 18 we get 12nm desktop cards.
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I hope that’s true.
AMD's 7nm version of Vega for the professional market is due out before the end of this year. There's no reason to think that we won't see 7nm desktop cards next year IMO.
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Yeah could see Nv 7nm cards next year, would explain why they released their Ti at launch too, as thats never happened before (i don't think anyway), normally comes months, or about a year later.
Reasoning for your thoughts?
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Is it more normal for Nvidia to release new cards every year or every 2 years?
Or even every 18 months?
Or even every 18 months?
Intel issues with 10nm are affecting Intel only.
TSMC is mass producing 7nm & Glofo is almost there also. For both companies 2019+ is 7nm EUV, and we know that AMD & Glofo heading for Zen5 release 2022-3 at 5nm EUV (GloFo)
AMD is already sampling to clients 7nm EPYC server chips and the 7nm Vega 20 (Instinct card since May!!!!!!!). While a brand new and unknown Vega 12 that showed it's head on the last drop of driver code into Linux this week.
And closing, here is the Business Analyst from CNBC yesterday.
"We believe AMD has a multi-year advantage vs. Intel in CPUs with 7nm and a 6-month plus advantage vs. Nvidia in GPUs for the datacenter."
The rest, is for forum bickering who will have the best fps in forum benchmarks.
The current node is at the end of life. You will see from the cards when come out, that they will be running hot consuming a lot of power.
Is a product (GPU) designed for 7nm as was Vega. And we already see the Vega 20 offering almost 21TFlop of computing at reduced power envelop.
As many predict RTX2080/Ti going to be the shortest living Nvidia GPU after 8800GTX. Which again was a new architecture, was very expensive (£1000 in today's money), and superseded straight away with a better product.
AMD has decided to go after the big money, and gave up losing money trying to persuade the braindead zombies.
That AMD is ahead on GPUs for server marker, is the reason Jensen compared the (Xeon CPU) RTX8000 based server to Xeon farm. He couldn't do it against the Mi25 based servers which are more powerful and cheaper than the Nvidia offerings.
And even if AMD comes out over the next 5 years on the trot beating Nvidia, still the zombies will buy Nvidia. As they do right now, pre ordering a product which all signs showing is of same performance with current generation, ignoring the facts and listening to marketing charts.
While GPUs are usually big or very big chips.
Some mainstream graphics cards might well be first to get 7nm GPU for that reason.
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