Is optional and we shall see the pricing but even at 150 per year, going to be cheaper than PC gaming over the 4-5 year generation of the consoles.
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Will Nvidia be selling 7nm graphic cards in 2019?
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You don't post the reasoning why none would pay that money on 30tflop AMD gpu, yet you find reasonable pay £1200 on 16tflop 2080ti......
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If the performance is there people will pay it.
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I'm not so sure. Without serious competition from AMD I doubt NV will do a current architecture refresh with 7nm. Also. how much is it going to cost? We're already looking at > £1k. 7nm seems quite a jump.
My guess is 2020 which will be when next gen hits again probably. NV have only just moved to 12nm although of course that's just an improved process.
Releasing the Ti early this time is a bit odd but could be for a number of reasons. Another Ti for example would be even more expensive. The Ti is a bit beast of a die already. I expect we'll get a Titan later.
The first Pascal Titan X did, it was the same chip as the 1080ti ended up being, so who knows? I do think NVidia are basically trolling us with their naming schemes, they seem to change it up every generation.
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I would say it's more of a perception issue more than anything, AMD have entrenched themselves somewhat in the low/mid-tier section (for gamers at least) and not seen as capable of having a commanding Halo product (hence nVidia being bought time and time again). Hopefully I'm wrong, but this is just imo of course.
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Ignore button is there for a reason, use it.
Mate we are having a discussion in an open forum.
Also you are the one driveling with your above post.
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It's just marketing. I didn't mention above that just maybe the 2080 Ti is called that to try to get the Ti money early. It's become obvious people wait for the Ti model now before buying and NV probably thinking they can get to that money a little earlier this time. Dunno would they couldnt call them 70, 80 and 90. In the past the 90 cards have been dual chips but we dont get those these days anyway. Ti makes me think of a model that's improved upon later, and it's not just GPU's either, I can think of one car model that released a Ti model later in the lifecycle.
I think this gen may be shorter lived than Pascal, but probably still around 2 years.
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Yawn. You’re having a completely different discussion, mate.
Things make no sense if you do that and does really correct the content
Yeah there is absolutely a perception issue there - especially as most consumers will see Vega as a big fat failure with hyped features that never delivered and/or were never delivered. While nVidia despite the contentions and dubious marketing are selling every 2080ti they can produce.
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nVidia are so well entrenched now I don't ever see them making such a catalogue of errors in order to facilitate their own downfall, at least anytime soon!! JHH was a bit of a hothead in his youth (from the stories heard) but they seem to have wained and has become quite the stellar head of a powerful multi-multi-billion dollar company. AMD might have to settle for the console/mid-end, until nVidia feel like coming for them in those sectors too...
We get screwed a bit on pricing, but you can't say that what nVidia do they don't do very well.
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Things make no sense if you do that and does really correct the content
Your choice then dude, stop moaning about it
Really? Braindead zombies???
Why do you have to stoop that low, as you come across at times as fairly knowledgeable. Surely you can post without having to turn every thread into AMD Vs NVidia? C'mon man, you can be better than that.
Anyways, I digress....
Personally, I expect possibly March to see 7nm on either but deffo both AMD and NVidia to showcase 7nm, albeit on pro cards first and possibly end of year 2019 for gamers. What I find interesting is reading up on what comes after silicon and hopefully AMD, Intel, NVidia and the likes of TSMC and Glo-fo are finding new ways like graphene etc.
Vega Instinct end of this year shows TSMC's 7nm is ready to start building real things, so here's how I see 2019 panning out. tl;dr Nvidia will only release xx50/xx60 class GPUs on 7nm in 2019.
AMD Vega 20: end of 2018. This could well put the cat amongst the pigeons for Nvidia in the data center segment.
AMD Navi: end of 2019. Not expected to be anything more than a refined GTX 1080-class product, but if priced right could stir up the low to mid-range consumer market and make Nvidia think a little, but overall nothing to force Nvidia to accelerate their plans.
Nvidia 2050/2050 Ti/2060: middle of 2019. Let TSMC work out the kinks of their 7nm process getting all of AMD's kit going and then benefit from increasing maturity. Consider this an exercise in getting Turing's power draw down and working out their own kinks in shrinking Turing to 7nm.
Could AMD shrink Vega 10 to 7nm also for a refreshed RX Vega line? Perhaps. Is that what Vega 12 is? But I doubt it'll have performance gains sufficient to worry Nvidia into changing tack.
And based on all this conjecture above, Nvidia's 2020 plans will hinge entirely on AMD's Navi. If the 7nm 2050/2050 Ti/2060 experiment goes well, we could see the big RTX Titan on 7nm towards the end of 2019 just to overshadow Navi's launch. We may also get a big data center card to take it to Vega Instinct if does live up to speculation. Otherwise a full 7nm Turing refresh will only come out in 2020 if Navi shows any signs of competition at the upper end of the consumer segment; if Navi offers no competition, 7nm may well wait until Turing's successor.
AMD Vega 20: end of 2018. This could well put the cat amongst the pigeons for Nvidia in the data center segment.
AMD Navi: end of 2019. Not expected to be anything more than a refined GTX 1080-class product, but if priced right could stir up the low to mid-range consumer market and make Nvidia think a little, but overall nothing to force Nvidia to accelerate their plans.
Nvidia 2050/2050 Ti/2060: middle of 2019. Let TSMC work out the kinks of their 7nm process getting all of AMD's kit going and then benefit from increasing maturity. Consider this an exercise in getting Turing's power draw down and working out their own kinks in shrinking Turing to 7nm.
Could AMD shrink Vega 10 to 7nm also for a refreshed RX Vega line? Perhaps. Is that what Vega 12 is? But I doubt it'll have performance gains sufficient to worry Nvidia into changing tack.
And based on all this conjecture above, Nvidia's 2020 plans will hinge entirely on AMD's Navi. If the 7nm 2050/2050 Ti/2060 experiment goes well, we could see the big RTX Titan on 7nm towards the end of 2019 just to overshadow Navi's launch. We may also get a big data center card to take it to Vega Instinct if does live up to speculation. Otherwise a full 7nm Turing refresh will only come out in 2020 if Navi shows any signs of competition at the upper end of the consumer segment; if Navi offers no competition, 7nm may well wait until Turing's successor.
What makes you say that? Nvidia are being out manoeuvred pretty badly and have left the door open to the graphics market for a third competitor enter. Nvidia don't have a chance in the APU market and will be increasingly pushed out of the add-in market. Either Intel or AMD could put Nvidia out of business if they wanted.
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Just an opinion, that's all. They're like *** holes, everyone has one
Nvidia can't compete with AMD or Intel if they don't them to, that's a fact.
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I don't think so. In some ways Nvidia is stronger than Intel. Intel only have another 30% more market cap than Nvidia and lets not forget everything Intel are involved in (CPU;s SSD's, now GPU's etc etc). If AMD gain on further Intel, NV could in the next few years have a higher market cap than either. From memory NV is something like $169billion and intel are around $220billion. Amd is around $24billion.
I think Intel will struggle with GPU's, personally. Lets not forget they've had a go at dedicated GPU's before. With AMD at their heels, they need to be concentrating more on their CPU's too.
Despite AMD's revitalised shareprice, they're still a company that struggles to turn their technology into cash.
Should NV enter the CPU business too? I reckon they could probably take a good fight to both AMD and Intel in that area too, if they wanted to. And as much as I like the revitalised AMD, they're still a weakling compared to Nvidia and Intel.
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