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Will NVidia's next GM200 card have all 3072 shaders enabled ?

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There is a lot of talk that NVidia's next GM200 card will be a cut down Titan X with 6gb of vram instead of 12gb. The problem with this is what do NVidia do with all the chips that do not make the grade where all the shaders can not be enabled.

What are NVidia up to -

Will we see cut down cards with shaders disabled.

Are they waiting to see what happens when AMD launch the 390X.

Will there be a full fat version with a high clockspeed, we know how easy it is to overclock a Titan X by quite a bit.

What is NVidia's next move going to be ?
 
Perhaps a 980Ti which would have less shaders and a 980 "Ultra" which would be a fully enabled part. Not sure if there is room for 2 new cards in the high-end segment between the 980 and the Titan X however.
 
They could always just drop the price of the titan x. Since it doesn't have (so we are told) the dp qualities that the old titan brought, maybe this titan will follow the price drops other cards have during its life cycle. A cheaper titan x would entice excisting owners to go sli instead of buying a 390x.
 
A harvested part, with a similar difference to the TitanX, to the gap between the 970/980. That would be my first guess.

Yup a harvested GM200 brought in as the 985 and then when the 390X is launched and just pips it a full fat GM200 with only 6GB ram will appear as the 985ti.

Interesting thing will be what will a harvested parts spec be. 320bit with 5GB of ram....?
Who knows. :)
 
Five.Stars said:
Not sure if there is room for 2 new cards in the high-end segment between the 980 and the Titan X however.
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Look at the performance gap, there is plenty of room for a couple of cards to fit in there. It is the naming scheme that is rather tight.
 
They'll just do the same as the 780/780Ti/Titan again, worked last time so why mess with a formula that keeps shareholders happy?
 
bru said:
Look at the performance gap, there is plenty of room for a couple of cards to fit in there. It is the naming scheme that is rather tight.
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As I've said before, I think the next GM200 card will fall under a different naming generation to the 900 series.

The next being the 10 series, or X series, Titan X, my moneys on the cut down card being the GeForce X80 ;)
 
pgi947 said:
As I've said before, I think the next GM200 card will fall under a different naming generation to the 900 series.

The next being the 10 series, or X series, Titan X, my moneys on the cut down card being the GeForce X80 ;)
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Yea i was thinking this myself. When introducing the high end gk110 they just changed the naming from 6 to 7 series so for instance this gen would see the 980 become x70 leaving space for the new gm110 cards to slot in above. This could also drive more sales as it gives the illusion that Nvidia has released a whole new series.
 
I think NVidia have been quite clever with the launch of the TitanX, at stock it comes with quite a low GPU clock but it can been overclocked quite a lot by the user. This leaves room for another GM200 card with some shaders disabled but a higher GPU clockspeed that at first look would appear faster out of the box than the TitanX, until we put overclocking on the table that is.
 
I posted this a while back, the original 780 had +50% cores over the 680. 3072 would be +50% cores over the 980 so in theory this is possible and would follow.

However the original titan had +75% cores over the 680 whereas the titan x only has +50 cores over the 980.

Given this I think the only way we would see the 980ti/1080 have 3072 cores is if the 390x came close or equaled titan x performance.
 
straxusii said:
I posted this a while back, the original 780 had +50% cores over the 680. 3072 would be +50% cores over the 980 so in theory this is possible and would follow.

However the original titan had +75% cores over the 680 whereas the titan x only has +50 cores over the 980.

Given this I think the only way we would see the 980ti/1080 have 3072 cores is if the 390x came close or equaled titan x performance.
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That is all very well and good, except for the fact that these details would have been decided months ago. You cannot just wait till the 390x launches then decide to change the configuration of the responding chip.
 
Kaapstad said:
There is a lot of talk that NVidia's next GM200 card will be a cut down Titan X with 6gb of vram instead of 12gb. The problem with this is what do NVidia do with all the chips that do not make the grade where all the shaders can not be enabled.

What are NVidia up to -

Will we see cut down cards with shaders disabled.

Are they waiting to see what happens when AMD launch the 390X.

Will there be a full fat version with a high clockspeed, we know how easy it is to overclock a Titan X by quite a bit.

What is NVidia's next move going to be ?
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Thinking about it logically I think there will be a 980 Ti with the full core unlocked i.e a Titan X albeit with half the memory.

Just like the 780 Ti and Titan Black, Same scenario.

If they do that I'll get it, If they cut cores I'll end up getting a Titan X, My purchase all hinges on this TBH :)
 
Kaapstad said:
The problem with this is what do NVidia do with all the chips that do not make the grade where all the shaders can not be enabled.
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This is exactly the issue, regardless how mature the 28nm process is, there will always be cores that don't make the grade.

There will definitely be a cut down part, whether it is the only other GM200 chipped part we see or not is anyone's guess.

I also reckon that NVidia will save the new 1080/x80 (or whatever they come up with) naming scheme for the new Pascal based parts.
 
If the card coming in September is a fully unlocked part with less memory...well it doesn't exactly scream excitement that far on. There will be lesser than perfect chips to sell so it's more likely to be cut back. Custom AIB partner PCBs is the biggest plus from this part, so you're looking at overclocking here. We're still a few months off, I think the rumour is off and we are looking at less CUDAs and less VRAM.
 
bru said:
That is all very well and good, except for the fact that these details would have been decided months ago. You cannot just wait till the 390x launches then decide to change the configuration of the responding chip.
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You can when you've already got a full shader core part.

How the 390X compares to the Titan X will dictate if Nvidia launch the existing Titan X 3072 shader core with 6GB of vram as 980Ti or if they use failed Titan X cores with some of the shaders turned off as 980Ti.

Assuming they can make it cost effectively.
 
straxusii said:
You can when you've already got a full shader core part.

How the 390X compares to the Titan X will dictate if Nvidia launch the existing Titan X 3072 shader core with 6GB of vram as 980Ti or if they use failed Titan X cores with some of the shaders turned off as 980Ti.

Assuming they can make it cost effectively.
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They will be able to make it cheaper than AMD can make the 390X for.

NVidia's next card will be old tech with GDDR5 and an air cooler.

AMD's 390X will have expensive new tech like HBM and possibly an AIO cooler.

This does not mean NVidia will sell the card for less though.:eek:
 
Did we know the original titan wasnt full fat? , any reason the new titan X cant also not be quite the full spec and Nvidia has a higher version sitting waiting..?
 
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