Will Swansea be able to hang on to Michael Laudrup?

You didn't fall apart though did you? Your absolutely off your t*ts you! Jose came to Chelsea the next season, did he not? Was a special time for Chelsea and Jose, they spent a lot of money, which Arsenal couldn't. if i recall Wenger won the league in his first season too.

You then got to the final of the european cup in 06 was it? Your only ever appearance in a final of the European cup.

I'm a Leeds fan and i would be over the moon to have what Arsenal have had over the last 20 years, top 4 for the last 16 years.

Teams are FAR more than the influence of just the CURRENT manager.

What are you talking about here? Are you saying the manager doesn't influence the team he is managing?

Basically your saying Jose (chelsea/RM - current)/Pep/Ancilotti (milan)/ Sir Alex/Wenger (invincibles) are all non influential goons. I suppose Winston Churchill didn't do much either..

Your a fruit!
 
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They all played alongside and with Adams, Keown, they came to Arsenal and had someone OTHER than Wenger telling them what to do, where to be, Adams organised that defence, even when he wasn't in it, those players benefited from every day they trained or played games with Adams and Keown in the team.

Adams played for not far off 20 years, he was the captain for over a dozen years IIRC, he was there for a full season with Campbell/Kolo before he retired, training with the team, teaching them the ropes, Lauren had been with Adams and Cole for 2-3 years, Keown was there for donkeys years.

Wenger did inherit the defence, but the leadership and the training as well, the guy who in training tells his left back and right back where the hell to be. When he retired after the 01/02 season, Campbell, Lauren, Cole, Keown, Gio and Kolo had all played a minimum of one season with him, had trained with him, several of those Keown, Lauren and Cole had multiple seasons with him.

Don't forget that Keown was a top defender and was training with Arsenal at the same time as Adam's as a youngster before he left for several seasons, he was there till, 2004.

By the end of 2006, it was basically Kolo left who had played any serious number of games with Adams or Keown, and how long as the team been going downhill, particularly defensively. Gallas is a top player, and was an awesome partnership along with Terry, but who was the captain.

Arsenal lacked a leading defender, a real captain, and lacked someone to take charge in games and most likely in training. Since Kolo/Gallas left, the team has entirely fallen apart defensively with absolutely zero cohesion, no sense, completely disorganised.

THere is more to a team than a name on the sheet. Adams stops playing at one point, his influence on the team doesn't. The team up till 2004 had serious leadership, immense mental strength, discipline and quality players. By 2006 a huge portion of players who ever played in part of Keown and/or Adams defence were gone. The continuing year on year drop in quality defensively is clear as day, and when it started was particularly obvious.


Now, Adams was a player you can't simply expect to replace. But isn't it funny that in the run to a champs league final, Cygan, Senderos, Flamini and Lauren played a huge part?

What do Cygan, Senderos, Lauren and Flamini have in common, are they individually better than Clichy, Gallas, Vermaelen, Sagna, only Lauren was better than Sagna.

The difference is the worse players were part of a better trained, better drilled, better organised defence, players who had played with Keown, Adams, Campbell multiple times. The better players lacked playing with organisation, a leader, or any guidance/tactics/good training.

What is the difference then, groups of better players can't do as well as a rag tag makeshift defence in 04/05 who set champions league defensive records.... Wenger was there the whole time, the players improved but the defence is worse.

Teams are FAR more than the influence of just the CURRENT manager. THe players, the type of players, the leadership and the previous managers work are all part of any current team. Honestly unless you get a Wenger or Fergie and see how the team is donkeys years down the line after they've changed everyone and you can really see a team based purely on that manager, its impossible to say exactly how good any manager is.

What was the regular back four in season 03-04?

How many of those did Wenger inherit?

Ergo your point about inheriting a defence and thereafter being unable to put one together/ organise a defence is nonsense.
 
Some Tony Adam lovin'.

To sum it up, Tony Adams trained Arsenal's Defence. His influence in a single year managed to rub off on everyone even after he is gone.

Give little credit to the scouts who brought the other players in, give little credit to Wenger to pull the trigger, give little credit to Wenger to his tactics and strategy.

Even I know it takes more than the back 4 to defend, Adams may have had an influence but not to the extent you are saying you have.

No player is irreplaceable, even Tony Adams.
 
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He has had a great season. He needs to do himself a favour and stay for at least 1 more. He is still young and has plenty of time to test himself at a massive club.
 
He'll stay for another year i think. Why? One good season in the premier league will not be enough to show him as a manager good enough for the likes of real/barca. If he can repeat what he has done with swansea next season, then he'd be a solid candidate for thise jobs.

Beyond next season he will probably not stay, but atleast he will go down as a legend in swansea, been amazing for them.
 
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