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So following my thread from yesterday about returning to the PC Master race, I've now decided my build will be including the following:

Gigabyte Aorus GeForce RTX 2080ti Xtreme Waterforce AIO

Be Quiet! Silent Base 801 Midi Tower Case

Along with this I will be fitting an currently unselected AiO CPU cooler. Probably SILENT LOOP SUPERIOR LIQUID CPU COOLER - 360MM (or similar) but I have a couple of questions. My aim is to build a PC that is as quiet as possible within around a £3000 budget, as I've got far too used to the quietness of an iMac:

  • Most obviously, will the two AiO units fit in the above case together and leave space? As physical space in my house isn't a concern, would the 900 series case be better? Would that be noisier?
  • Will running the two AiO units generate considerably more noise than having one with a fan instead or going full liquid cooling (considering the budget)?
  • Will replacing fans on the Gigabyte card void the lovely 4 year warranty?
  • Any recommendations for a nice quiet PSU to fit with the above (keeping in mind it will also be running an Intel i9 9900k processor quite possibly on a Gigabyte Aorus Z390 board.
  • For replacing fans, would the Be Quiet! Silent Wings be the preference or some Noctua fans (I've read they are the quietest)?
  • Considering the cooling in the AiO units...would case fans still be needed? i.e. Would the AiO units do that work for the rest of the system?
I'm trying to avoid the day to day running noise of a typical PC as much as possible and minimise noise level when gaming (on a 4k TV / monitor), hence my obsession with fan / unit quietness.

Thanks in advance
 
801 can fit dual AIO just fine . mother board try can even be flipped upside down with GPUs mounted vertically either way .

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/1520

base 601 review but shows that 240 and 360 will fit at the same time. base 801 can handle dual 360 rads just fine :)

Shadow wings are the quiestest fans , they are a step under Silent wings, they dont offer as much static pressure which is needed for Air heatsinks and high Fin Per Radiators . Alphacool/Bequiet use low FPI radiators compared to Asetek that is often 22 FPI vs 13 .

you will find pump noise of the Aorus Xtreme will be louder then Silentloop - thats down to their design . In theory with better fans that are quieter and high airflow, pump shouldn't work to hard

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/a4kssc/aorus_2080ti_waterforce_aio_first_impressions/

seems changing the fans might be a little tricky
https://i.redd.it/dktkxygxu8321.png

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N208TAORUSX-W-11GC#support-manual

quide to replacing fans . looks like they were smart and used a y-split to connect to the card and the Fans connect to this - only issue is cables looked to be zip tied so might need to cut them and get some new ones .
you'll also want to replace with them PWM 4 pin fans!

if you wanted to replace the fans and keep RGB, would need this
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/akasa-addressable-rgb-led-120mm-fan-frame-kit-fg-07h-ak.html

Base 900 is a beast and Uses silent wing instead of entry Pure wing fans .
 
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So having spent a few hours this morning, I've come up with the following spec. See any problems?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £3,522.15 (includes shipping: £15.30)
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The fans are simply to replace the case fans and then see how it goes. At a later date I may replace others.

I could do with shaving a little bit off of the cost. Perhaps a smaller PSU? Maybe a different CPU cooler? Maybe the Pro version of the motherboard? Not sure....
 
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £563.63 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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would swap the 1000w P11 for Corsair Titanium if PC is going to be left on a while !

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/Power-Supply-Units-Advanced/AX-Series™-80-PLUS-Titanium-Power-Supplies/p/CP-9020151-NA#tab-tech-specs

not sure if corsair rep @CorsairChris is able to comment on noise at 100%/50% & 20% - also has Hybrid off mode
bequiet P11 stats are - but with no Hybrid (off mode)
dB(A) at 20% load10.1dB(A) at 50% load10.4dB(A) at 100% load26.3
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or move down to 750w or 850w Straight 11. I personally use P11 850W and its silent !

also for M2 drive! Corsair, faster READ and same Right performance and slightly cheaper ! with rep support on here

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £208.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)


with your fan config, ditch the silent wings, least the 140mm versions.

what you'd want to do its mount the CPU 360 to the front with Silent wing 3 or Shadow wing 120mm PWM .

you'd then want 2x120mm PWM Shadow Wings for the Aorus Xtreme if your happy to swap out fans

last spanner in works if you need USB C (3.1 GEN 2 !!!!!) port at front
down side is cant flip/invert mobo but still allow GPU vertical mount

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £146.69 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P600s.html

Though i think the base 801 will be quieter , as you'll need to open the top vent for GPU/CPU AIO and insulation on the base 801 is thicker... but least all bases would be covered
stock fans are louder but you'd be swapping those out anyways

http://www.phanteks.com/PH-F140MP.html

and if your going Base 801.... GO SILVER OR BLACK!!!

as a cheat as well, you can mount 360 rad with 3x140mm fans . you mount the rad first to the inside of the chassis , then you mount the fans to the outside of the chassis ( come like this as default). 360 rad being 120mm mounting holes wouldn't block the 140mm mounting holes ;)
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Super luxury price for PSU with short five year basic warranty is what I would call as borderline scamming.
To use car analogy if you paid for some Jaguar/Rolls-Royce, you would expect to get their support/warranty.
Only reason I can think of for BeQuiet not giving longer warranty is, that they know from accelerated aging tests that cooling etc isn't enough for long term reliability.

You'll get 12 year warranty PSU for clearly less!
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...-platinum-modular-power-supply-ca-06d-ss.html
Also for single card 850W would be well enough and for "just" 10 year warranty you could get that for over £100 less.


Also NVMe drives have very little real world performance advantage in gaming for doubled GB price.
So there's little sense to pay for lots of expensive storage space and this combination would give half more capacity for the price.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...d-state-drive-cssd-f480gbmp510-hd-064-cs.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0a-hd-54j-wd.html
All five year warranty.
Quarter TB OS drive could also shave some £40-50


And while legalized lying departments claim otherwise, water pipes in place of heatpipes don't make heat disappear any easier.
Despite of all the marketing pee, they need to dissipate heat into air just like hearpipe coolers.
In fact with pump and higher number of fans as more noise sources, waterpipe coolers have lots of work improving cooling per noise from the best heatpipe coolers.
It's like marketers know that and don't allow direct comparison, when there's very little of those between actually good heatpipe coolers and waterpipe coolers.
That SilentLoop gets beaten by half cheaper Dark Rock Pro 4 in here:
https://www.eteknix.com/be-quiet-silent-loop-360-review/3/
 
Thanks for the help thus far...

System build is currently looking something like below but still tweaking away:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £3,462.95 (includes shipping: £14.10)​
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@EsaT I looked at the Seasonic PSU before and not sure about the noise output. I want to get as quiet as I can. CPU cooler wise...appreciate your points but tend to prefer the radiator and liquid coolant method based on past experience....again noise related, when I swapped from on CPU to a liquid cooled AiO, the noise difference was considerable....I do admin that was on my last build, 10 years ago now...but it was a lot different...maybe things have changed but if I didn't get on with the £70 on chip cooler...then it will be money wasted to some degree....although you could argue the other way I suppose...not here but on another thread....the drive speed is not just about gaming...its for video editing, graphics and 3D as I do game development and render cut scenes, etc...so more RAM and fast HDD access is a good thing for me :) I do admit that the capacity is somewhat limitting on the NVMe but I have mechanical drives around at the minute which I'll live with for a short time (as cache drives during editing) until I can get addition SSD's...that way I save cost and keep noise generation limited until I can get rid of it completely.

@orbitalwalsh Thanks for the pointers, you'll see I've made some changes to my build. Still trying to shave bits off here and there....OC seems expensive on some components so may be able to save by getting those elsewhere but then its the cost of delivery balancing act I have to do. PSU wise...my systems tend to be on 24 hour...so need to be top spec...my iMac has not been turned off for 3 years....restarted...not turned off though.
 
@GIGA-Man Thanks for clarifying. I spotted that on the Gigabyte site so assumed changing is fine as long as returned with originals if RMA'd as it the manufacturer provided guidance for it....thanks again :)
 
@EsaT knows his stuff with the PSU and often quote him on when people upgrading, specially when they have dodgy PSUs currently.
I know corsair use Seasonic for their higher up units. Hopefully rep and shed some light on the Corsair unit .
And no idea why on earth bequiet used 2000rpm 36dB fans !!!!
2nd gen will be out I think end of the year, hopefully they use Shadow wings . less airflow but 15db max!
Pure wings 2000rpm can lend max 450w TDP , that radiator can handle 500w
slap Silent wing 3's on should have 400w TDP but with max 20dB

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/986897-psu-tier-list-30/

fans with Hybrid modes like seasonic/ corsair. if your able to get high watt units, their powerful draw should be less on go over the 40% margin less and hopefully spin less , for less sound. Silent wing fans are a beast! but 5 year warranty does hurt!

believe you mentioned this will be used for games development and editing, if so push nvme for asset loads etc, if just gaming, standard sata 3

*** Sorry, just saw your comment! get the Corsair Titanium unit! if running at load will save you cash over the long run- average person wouldn't notice it (Bronze>silver>gold>platinum>titanium )

@GIGA-Man - how quiet is the AORUS Unis ? seems they are top tier A units to match the Focus/Bequiet S11 and Corsair AX units...

personally dont have it running but my kids love it (4 and 2)

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GavBUK said:
@EsaT I looked at the Seasonic PSU before and not sure about the noise output. I want to get as quiet as I can. CPU cooler wise...appreciate your points but tend to prefer the radiator and liquid coolant method based on past experience....again noise related, when I swapped from on CPU to a liquid cooled AiO, the noise difference was considerable....I do admin that was on my last build, 10 years ago now.
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Pretty much all higher end PSUs have semi-passive cooling mode which stops fan at lower load/temperature situations.

10 years agotypical heatpipe cooler was less effective than today.
Though there are still also mediocre coolers around and also there were high end coolers then.
Another example of how heatpipes are enough for lot is that there's no benefit from replacing them with liquid metal circulation.
Some ten years ago there was one company hyping "liquid metal" coolers, but they disappeared with little noise when those coolers didn't match high end heatpipe coolers in cooling per noise performance.
 
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I do admit that the capacity is somewhat limitting on the NVMe but I have mechanical drives around at the minute which I'll live with for a short time (as cache drives during editing) until I can get addition SSD's.
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It's actually on NVME that cache/scratch is most useful. So unless you're getting additional NVMEs, better to put Windows on regular SSD and cache/scratch on NVME, or both on NVME. Definitely both on NVME if the only alternative is mech HDD.
 
Also, there's no need to go with expensive liquid AIO GPU for silence. All you need to do is undervolt the card slightly with Afterburner, find the sweet spot for temps with a 40-50% RPM fan profile, and you're good. And all it would mean is running at 2000MHz instead of 2075MHz for example. Unless you fancy the looks of it and are willing to pay so much, save yourself £600 right there.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,180.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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^^ originally linked Gaming in previous thread. With good airflow and custom fan profile. should remain low in sound. Aorus air version is thicker and bigger with triple 100mm fans, but heatsink is a little less as well as fans being designed more for show. they are still quiet as I use them my self but Gaming in theory would be quieter from it and reviews back that up.

If the Aorus AIO were to have those Shadow wing fans installed, no current air or hybrid GPU could match it! also water allows the card to run cooler and boost to higher clock levels! Cooler the component, the longer it will last, specially if its being left on for long periods of time .
 
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