Will you pre-order or buy a Rocket Lake CPU?

Minstadave · 19 Mar 2021 at 20:27

SKILL said:
I think the latter is more down to AMD not being able/willing to sell in the UK post-brexit, or not yet at least, think the theory is their distributor dropped the ball in getting setup for it...

There seems to be 'reasonable' stock of 5800X's, often in stock, but priced too high/above RRP, still...

The 5800X has been in stock for weeks at below RRP.

g67575 · 19 Mar 2021 at 20:32

oh rly? I haven't seen it in stock anywhere at ~£387. At least £410 from trustworthy retailers.

Minstadave · 19 Mar 2021 at 20:39

g67575 said:
oh rly? I haven't seen it in stock anywhere at ~£387. At least £410 from trustworthy retailers.

£420 was UK RRP wasn't it?

g67575 · 19 Mar 2021 at 20:44

Nah it should be this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=538...3j0i22i30l5.5163j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

This is about how much it's listed for on AMD's direct webshop too.

Minstadave · 19 Mar 2021 at 20:45

g67575 said:
Nah it should be this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=538...3j0i22i30l5.5163j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But no tech product is a direct USD to GBP conversion.

g67575 · 19 Mar 2021 at 20:46

Besides, the RRP is still arguably too high.

Minstadave · 19 Mar 2021 at 20:48

g67575 said:
Besides, the RRP is still arguably too high.

Will look pretty cheap when the 11900K comes out. Same performance, half the power use, much cheaper

SKILL · 19 Mar 2021 at 21:42

Minstadave said:
But no tech product is a direct USD to GBP conversion.

afaik the MSRP is global, so convert to GBP and add VAT... Which makes the ~£387 listed

Minstadave · 19 Mar 2021 at 21:52

SKILL said:
afaik the MSRP is global, so convert to GBP and add VAT... Which makes the ~£387 listed

Not sure that's ever been the case with AMD before.

There appeared to be a UK RRP as most sellers listed at the same price (£420 or £428.99) before the gouging started.

LePhuronn · 19 Mar 2021 at 22:33

g67575 said:
10850K seems like a good option, but still a bit expensive (~£350) considering it's a last gen core.

And yet superior to Intel's current gen, and arguably better overall value than a 5800X.

Quartz · 19 Mar 2021 at 22:45

From what I've heard the 11400 is the one that should be of interest to gamers playing at higher resolutions. It's going to be cheaper than the Ryzen 3600, let alone the 5600.

Grim5 · 20 Mar 2021 at 09:15

Quartz said:
From what I've heard the 11400 is the one that should be of interest to gamers playing at higher resolutions. It's going to be cheaper than the Ryzen 3600, let alone the 5600.

Isn't the 11400 just a rebranded 10400? I believe only the higher end model are Rocket Laker and everything else that's 11th gen is comet lake rebrands

Quartz · 20 Mar 2021 at 09:50

Grim5 said:
Isn't the 11400 just a rebranded 10400? I believe only the higher end model are Rocket Laker and everything else that's 11th gen is comet lake rebrands

Not according to what I've read. The 11400 is the bottom end of the new chips; it's the lower chips that are the rebrands. BICBW.

smilingcrow · 20 Mar 2021 at 14:13

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...11400-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

Deleted User 456458 · 20 Mar 2021 at 14:28

I was excited for it but when some people in our group got one and we saw the major memory bottleneck it became disappointing quickly. In all our gaming testing, it's below my 9900k when core speed are equalized to 5.2ghz. Looks great in synthetics though but not in actual games. The mem sync/desycn is a major issue.

pp111 · 21 Mar 2021 at 08:44

I am currently using a 9700K, but considering the 11700K. Just waiting now to see the reviews and so on, and for the current shortages to end. So, er, the answer to the question will be, I guess I will be waiting a while so I will probably buy one, not pre-order one.

Grim5 · 21 Mar 2021 at 08:57

Robert896r1 said:
I was excited for it but when some people in our group got one and we saw the major memory bottleneck it became disappointing quickly. In all our gaming testing, it's below my 9900k when core speed are equalized to 5.2ghz. Looks great in synthetics though but not in actual games. The mem sync/desycn is a major issue.

Does it at least overclock higher than the 9900k/10900k? That's the least Intel could have done

HoneyBadger · 21 Mar 2021 at 09:08

Having a Z490 premium board which can apparently support PCIE4, which I ended up with by accident, I will drop a 11700k in. The selling of my 9900k and the circumstances I ended up on the Z490 platform means the upgrade from 9900k to 11700k will have cost me about £200.

Journey · 21 Mar 2021 at 11:05

HoneyBadger said:
Having a Z490 premium board which can apparently support PCIE4, which I ended up with by accident, I will drop a 11700k in. The selling of my 9900k and the circumstances I ended up on the Z490 platform means the upgrade from 9900k to 11700k will have cost me about £200.

What performance are you gaining for that £200? I mean for your use case btw, not just the normal generic 'games' answer. It seems that moving from an 8c/16t chip to an 8c/16t chip there'd need to be some serious platform benefits in order to justify that £200, since you could buy 16GB more RAM and another 1TB SSD for that and have change left over.

HoneyBadger · 21 Mar 2021 at 11:54

Journey said:
What performance are you gaining for that £200? I mean for your use case btw, not just the normal generic 'games' answer. It seems that moving from an 8c/16t chip to an 8c/16t chip there'd need to be some serious platform benefits in order to justify that £200, since you could buy 16GB more RAM and another 1TB SSD for that and have change left over.

I hear you.

My case is a bit unique. I didn't choose to upgrade, I was perfectly happy with my 9900K on a Z390 platform. I do game, but I also run VM's (My PC already has 64GB RAM and multiple SSD's including m.2 one) - I changed case as I often do, and decided to go custom water cooling. Long story short is that I accidently spilt coolant on my Z390 motherboard, resulting in very odd behaviour and BSOD. I ended up buying a new Z390 motherboard from the MM on here, and planned to re-home my 9900K.

The new motherboard arrived from the MM and instead of it being a Gigabyte Z390 Master, it turns out it was a Gigabyte Z490 Master. After speaking to the seller, I decided to keep it at no extra cost (£185 delivered for a £350 motherboard!) and decided to sell the 9900K on eBay as it wouldn't fit in the Z490.

This was in Jan of this year, I knew 11th Gen was on the horizon and was interested in stepping up to PCIE4 for m.2 (The Z490 Master has PCIE4.0 gen support) so I spent £75 on a 10th Gen i3 CPU just to get me up and running and verify the Z490 board was OK (It was new, sealed but wanted to confirm) - The i3 was purchased for £75 on my company credit card (Expenses) so essentially cost me nothing.

What really surprised me was how good the i3 is, its essentially my old 7700K in all but name, and is surprising good at everything, even gaming. It does lack a little in VM work though, as you can expect.

So having considered 10th gen, and being tempted by the 10850, I realised that 8/16 was enough, and I'd rather choose PCIE4 for a bit more future proofing. Comparing specs, there's no way I'd spend more on the i9 11900K as it's not different enough in my mind to the 11700K, so that's what I'm going to opt for. I may actually go for the non K, so the 11700 as I wont overclock on this anyway and gives me a bit more thermal head room.