Wind home turbines?

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 17:32

You need a battery for that ideal - what happens on a non windy day? Plus a wind turbine supplier is a 3rd party. its a rather odd view really.

If you want to spin a green angel, have you done an LCA of the impact of building your windturbine and battery vs buying energy from the grid?

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 17:38

Simon said:
You need a battery for that ideal - what happens on a non windy day? Plus a wind turbine supplier is a 3rd party. its a rather odd view really.

If you want to spin a green angel, have you done an LCA of the impact of building your windturbine and battery vs buying energy from the grid?

Maybe you should read my post above again……..you seem to be missing the bit were i stated it was one off purchase from the supplier and then no further payments to a 3rd party. Its not rocket science, no further payments to the supplier of said turbine and if you harvest enough energy, no further paymets to an energy supplier……

i also dont need to do any lca of the impact, as im not the one buying the wind turbine.

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 17:39

and the days its not windy? And how do you run your gas boiler? and which 3rd party you going to pay when it needs maintenance?

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 17:41

Simon said:
and the days its not windy? And how do you run your gas boiler?

Ask the OP hes buying the flaming turbine, not me…….read what i said before posting another pathetic question.

what if his heating and water are both electric, what would he be buying gas for??? This is about electric not gas, a wind turbine doesnt produce gas, so thats a stupid comment to make.

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 17:47

But a gas supplier is a energy supplier. You are just coming out with utopia rubbish like ignoring payback as it’s not relevant and the key driver to buy a wind turbine is not pay a energy supplier ? Even if actually costs more cause you can’t be bothered to do the maths. That’s so wrong on so many levels, first issue is a day without wind.

A 600W peak seems a lot of money. An eyesore, noisy and expensive option versus a nice flush solar panel

I read the OP post. And her previous ones about energy. Notice I read the name of the poster too and didn’t make the mistake of using ‘he’

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 17:52

Simon said:
But a gas supplier is a energy supplier. You are just coming out with utopia rubbish like ignoring payback as it’s not relevant and the key driver to buy a wind turbine is not pay a energy supplier ? Even if actually costs more cause you can’t be bothered to do the maths. That’s so wrong on so many levels, first issue is a day without wind.

But he might not be buying gas, so therefore not a supplier to him…..are you that stupid, you cant see it.

how do you know the wind turbine is not backing a solar supply of electricity, or backing a full battery bank supplying electricity, have you asked the OP that question……for me payback isnt a vital reason for purchasing, if that doenst match your opinion, i really couldnt give a monkeys. Some people invest in things because its the right thing to do and not for a monetory payback…..

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 17:54

This is what a forum is for. Discussion

She made a big thread before about energy use and yes has gas.

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 18:01

Simon said:
This is what a forum is for. Discussion

She made a big thread before about energy use and yes has gas.

But this thread is about electric and a wind turbine…..not about gas. So if the wind and solar is set up and purchased correctly……there will be NO 3rd party supplier of electrical energy and therefore no more ongoing costs to the OP. For ME that would be more important than how long it takes to pay me back my own money.

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 18:03

Why. Do you earn less to pay less tax too :cry:

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 18:06

Simon said:
Why. Do you earn less to pay less tax too

This is not about tax or earnings either…..its about electricity. Paying 1k for a turbine is a lot loss than paying 2k for your electrical bill for a year. Therefore it wouldnt be costing more to purchase the wind turbine over paying for electric….as its a back up to the solar supply if you read the original statement made by the OP

and yes, i have spoken to people who have not accepted a payrise because it would take them over the tax threshold and therefore would pay more tax than the pay rise given……for example

person earns 39.99k a year…….£1 below the 40k threshold for higher tax. New job is only 1k payrise, but all that would be taken by the higher tax rate, so more work, more responsibilty, more stress, for YES less money. So yes sometimes earning a little less, makes sense

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 18:08

But this is the point about payback which you seem to ignore. Most pay backs are 10yrs not 0.5 yr! Even longer if you are maxing out the inverter with solar and wind. You will end up making your solar less effective. You can’t just attach stuff as assume it’s for the best. Sure it’s good on dark windy days/night. But go in eyes open not just make statements like above with no numbers behind it.

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 18:11

Simon said:
But this is the point about payback which you seem to ignore. Most pay backs are 10yrs not 0.5 yr! Even longer if you are maxing out the inverter with solar and wing. You will end up making your solar less effective.

But some people dont care about the payback…….they may not even still be alive to even get the payback, but still make the investment, as its the Right thing to do.

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 18:13

depends how you define right. If you want to minimise impact on the planet then find a big bridge to jump off

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 18:14

Simon said:
depends how you define right. If you want to minimise impact on the planet then find a big bridge to jump off

Now your just being pathetic, have a good night.

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 18:21

But where do you stop is the point. Blinding spending money cause it feels right ?

BUDFORCE · 13 May 2022 at 18:23

Welshman said:
But this thread is about electric and a wind turbine…..not about gas. So if the wind and solar is set up and purchased correctly……there will be NO 3rd party supplier of electrical energy and therefore no more ongoing costs to the OP. For ME that would be more important than how long it takes to pay me back my own money.

You know even with wind and solar combined, it's practically impossible to go completely "off grid" it's possible, you may need deisel or petrol powered generators, which are burning fossil fuels.

Its basically not feasible for most demostic properties, and if it was, the setup costs would be astronomical.

Welshman said:
person earns 39.99k a year…….£1 below the 40k threshold for higher tax. New job is only 1k payrise, but all that would be taken by the higher tax rate, so more work, more responsibilty, more stress, for YES less money. So yes sometimes earning a little less, makes sense

It doesn't work like this, you only pay the higher rate tax on any income earned above the threshold.......

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 18:27

Simon said:
But where do you stop is the point. Blinding spending money cause it feels right ?

Again not paying money to bp, shell, eon, british gas, octopus etc etc……is enough payback for me, if i was purchasing a wind turbine and solar system…..as i know for a fact, my energy bill is 2k a year and a solar and wind turbine would be circa 10k. If i had that money in the bank and didnt need to borrow it, i would use that money for the purchase of said system…..knowing that i a few months time, said billionaire companys will be raising the cap and therefore paying even more for electricity. I would rather use my savings to pay for solar, rather than pay a 3rd party for energy. if everybody was worried about payback, no one would ever invest in anything, as you could be dead tmrw and recieve zero payback on anything.

Welshman · 13 May 2022 at 18:29

BUDFORCE said:
You know even with wind and solar combined, it's practically impossible to go completely "off grid" it's possible, you may need deisel or petrol powered generators, which are burning fossil fuels.

Its basically not feasible for most demostic properties, and if it was, the setup costs would be astronomical.

It doesn't work like this, you only pay the higher rate tax on any income earned above the threshold.......

It is feasable to be completely off grid and many people around the world do it every day……..without generators using petrol or diesel. Maybe you need some more real world experiences in your life.

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 18:54

You know the cap is set by offgem right ? Nothing to do with companies. And supply and demand sets the price. Not the suppliers of a commodity.

And lol at tax understanding. I guess finance isn’t your strong point. How much does the glue cost to stick yourself to that tarmac ?

Simon · 13 May 2022 at 18:55

Welshman said:
It is feasable to be completely off grid and many people around the world do it every day……..without generators using petrol or diesel. Maybe you need some more real world experiences in your life.

Maybe you can power some water turbines with all your sheep. Whilst they are running around look at how the gas market works and how the future wind turbine acreage is being tendered and who is building wind farms on the GW scale