Windows 10 End of Life prep

MoridinUK

MoridinUK

MoridinUK

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Hey all,

So My family of 5 have 4 desktop pcs and none of them are able to support windows 11, due to the lack of security features on the mainboards or processors. Basically none of my processors (i7-7700k, i5-6600k, ryzen 1800x, i5-4440) are compatible and while the two bigger boards have UEFI secure boot they don't have TPMs.

So I'm stuck, I'm not too worried, there is time and it looks like they will still provide occasional security updates even after end of life, (simply because there will be lots of us unable to step up) I'm still angry about Microsoft effectively obsoleting all my pcs (all of which perform what we need them for just fine)

I'm trying to figure out a cost effective way to resolve this, I was looking at something like the i5-12400f or ryzen 5 5600x to replace a couple of these systems. But then I started looking at mainboards for them and now I'm paranoid I may end up buying one that still doesn't meet the TPM 2.0 requirement. Not all boards have it clearly stated that they support windows 11 (on the over clockers store) and some say they do but also that they have a TPM header, so I wonder if that meant I needed an extra TPM card?

I'm open for any advice on this, one friend even suggested buy windows 10 server keys as they end of life is longer for them!
 
My problem with staying on windows 10 past end of life is lack of support for security updates. I'm not sure updating to windows 11 but being told I still wont get some/any (including but not limited to) security updates is going to solve that :( I think we'll have to wait and see if an unsupported windows 10 pc is more of a security risk than an un updateable windows 11 pc? :(

It's these unknowns I hate. But thank you again!
Journey said:
MS allowed non-compliant devices to upgrade (to Windows 11) a few weeks ago.

Little video for you here.

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Why not just take the opportunity to upgrade? You could upgrade everything to AM4 + Ryzen 5000 series for £250 a pop. Add £150 a pop for AM5.
 
Plenty of people are still using much older versions than Windows 10

Windows OS market share

Windows 7: 2.47%
Windows 8.1: 0.31%
Windows XP: 0.25%
Windows 8: 0.16%

A bakery in Indiana is even using Commodore 64 computers to run their cash registers.

Just make sure your router's firmware is up to date. Windows Defender will probably still get virus definitions on a regular basis. If not, try a 3rd party solution.
 
SimonRigga said:
Possibly.. but in all reality.. those in the "know" will know how to get around it.. those who buy a PC from PC world.. will just pay what the PC costs, so i'm unsure how Microsoft make money from it..
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Seen loads of threads of people shopping for new PCs because they're on windows 10 and think they have no other option.
It's money for MS for a copy of windows and their partners for the hardware, all in it together.
 
throwaway4372 said:
Seen loads of threads of people shopping for new PCs because they're on windows 10 and think they have no other option.
It's money for MS for a copy of windows and their partners for the hardware, all in it together.
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Yeah fair enough, although usually I find people think they need a new PC as the old one has become "slow", you get it off them to take a look and find 200 browser extensions.. and 400 other programs all running at startup.. all stuff they didn't even know they had usually!!

Can't overly see normal person thinking.. "I need windows 11.. and can't upgrade this PC.. so will buy new.. "
 
MoridinUK said:
I'm still angry about Microsoft effectively obsoleting all my pcs (all of which perform what we need them for just fine)
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Seems a bit extreme no? Are you expecting lifetime support?

The systems you mention are a good 7/8 years old, so regardless of whether they still perform as you need them to, they are very old and there should not be an expectation for ongoing support for aging hardware.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Plenty of people are still using much older versions than Windows 10

Windows OS market share

Windows 7: 2.47%
Windows 8.1: 0.31%
Windows XP: 0.25%
Windows 8: 0.16%

A bakery in Indiana is even using Commodore 64 computers to run their cash registers.

Just make sure your router's firmware is up to date. Windows Defender will probably still get virus definitions on a regular basis. If not, try a 3rd party solution.
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Yeah I'm aware, just, if a lot of people don't upgrade, it would be a great target to exploit.

I'll take it all one step at a time I think.
d_brennen said:
The Ryzen system you can likely update the bios and drop in a cheap 5xxx second hand. Not up to date on the Intel sockets but worth looking at
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Is this problem different on AMD then? I know my old intel boards wont support this but if my AMD board will support a supported CPU does that solve the issue?
Journey said:
If you use the work around method you still get updates.
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Is this the winbootmate method?
 
MoridinUK said:
Is this problem different on AMD then? I know my old intel boards wont support this but if my AMD board will support a supported CPU does that solve the issue?
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It's a CPU feature available from Intel 8th gen and Ryzen 2xxx onwards afaik. Out beering tonight but the info is out there
 
Even now I still see things missing on windows 11 that I use on windows 10 on a regular basis (a lot of it is in file explorer) so I kind of don't want to update my main pc to windows 11 from windows 10.

I also don't like the default use of encryption on my desktop, yes I know I can jump through some hoops etc...

I will likely get a better firewall etc and maybe antivirus but depending on how lazy I am I may just bite the bullet and go hunting out for 'fixes' to my issues (not found them yet)
 
lsg1r said:
Even now I still see things missing on windows 11 that I use on windows 10 on a regular basis (a lot of it is in file explorer) so I kind of don't want to update my main pc to windows 11 from windows 10.

I also don't like the default use of encryption on my desktop, yes I know I can jump through some hoops etc...

I will likely get a better firewall etc and maybe antivirus but depending on how lazy I am I may just bite the bullet and go hunting out for 'fixes' to my issues (not found them yet)
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It adds disk encryption by default? But that is going to slow it down so much, isn't it?
 
MoridinUK said:
It adds disk encryption by default? But that is going to slow it down so much, isn't it?
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Depends on the ssd and if it's being done by software or hardware, some drives have hardware to deal with encryption. But some tests say up to 40% if using software encryption.
 
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