Never mind the potential inconvenience and the fact that not an insignificant number of people have had problems with rolling back.
Windows 10 forced itself to install
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Never mind the potential inconvenience and the fact that not an insignificant number of people have had problems with rolling back.
It's not like people asked for a scheduled OS upgrade in the first place. Dirty tactics.
Yes, I've used a Windows 'device' before, since Windows first came out in fact - how about you?
Name a MS program in Windows 7 or 8.x (not the mobile version) that minimises itself or simply keeps itself running when you click on the Close Window X in the top right? Forget anything on the taskbar - they're minimised. But even they have an option to close them down when you right click on them too.
Hell, they even broke their own design rules for this one. Here's THE direct quote from the Microsoft Developer Network resource (MSDN) for Windows 7 concerning dialogue boxes :
Source : https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn742499(v=vs.85).aspx
Nope, it doesn't surprise me at all that so many people have and will continue to get caught out by this.
I had one issue about 6 months ago when it automatically updated windows 10 (already had it installed) and it broke the install, I googled it and plenty of other people had the same issue, however after that one issue and needing to reinstall windows I haven't had any issues with it. IMO people just need to upgrade to it and stop whining at the end of the day you will need it sooner or later!
"The Close button on the title bar should have the same effect as the Cancel or Close button within the dialog box, never give it the same effect as OK."
Which it is. Its closing the dialogue box without either taking action to change the upgrade options as the text stated.
Which it is. Its closing the dialogue box without either taking action to change the upgrade options as the text stated.
rofl, give an example except all the examples you can give.
its followed that design language exactly. it's closed the dialogue and made no assumptions.
if you want to have a go at microsft at least be sensible about it, rather than a raving looney.
and complain about it being included as an update.
its followed that design language exactly. it's closed the dialogue and made no assumptions.
if you want to have a go at microsft at least be sensible about it, rather than a raving looney.
and complain about it being included as an update.
"The Close button on the title bar should have the same effect as the Cancel or Close button within the dialog box, never give it the same effect as OK."
Which it is. Its closing the dialogue box without either taking action to change the upgrade options as the text stated.
A fuller version :
"Elsewhere in the same document, Microsoft told third-party developers, "Use Cancel or Close for negative commit buttons instead of specific responses to the main instruction [emphasis added]."
That's exactly how users treated the X in the upgrade scheduling dialog box, as a "negative commit," or in plain English, as a "No thanks." Microsoft, on the other hand, interpreted it as the exact opposite.
Other examples from the same set of guidelines show that Microsoft broke its own rules. "Make sure the Close button on the title bar has the same effect as Cancel or Close," the document said."
Link : http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-dupe-the-user-windows-10-upgrade-tactic.html
no it hasn't.
it hasn't used the close button for anything other than to close it.
it's already committed, read the text.
should defener, onedrive, vpns, graphic card software and any number of other programs that run in the program shut down when you press the x?
no off course not, it's easy to attack Microsoft, so why you chosen this bizarre and wrong reason is odd.
it hasn't used the close button for anything other than to close it.
it's already committed, read the text.
should defener, onedrive, vpns, graphic card software and any number of other programs that run in the program shut down when you press the x?
no off course not, it's easy to attack Microsoft, so why you chosen this bizarre and wrong reason is odd.
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And yet clicking the X on any MS program that's in an open window will close down said program - Control Panel, Word, Outlook, Internet Explorer etc etc etc.
So let me get this straight, you're saying that because this latest update window says it's scheduled / committed that the function of the X now changes to a close rather than cancel the operation?
My standpoint is simply based on the likely user perception of it, which appears to fairly well backed up by some posts on these forums, the web and the media in general. This has got nothing to do with me or my Windows based systems at all.
no, no it doesn't aas I just said, you cant ignore a bunvch of programs as it doesn't line up with your thinking,
cross is not cancel, cross is close.
as to it's function it depends on the program and always has. mainly if it runs in the background or not.
windows update has always run in the background, just like many other programs, and pressing the x does not close it.
not has the x changed anything in this example. you've already given permission for automatic updates.
your standing is pure nonsense.
if you want to attack microsft, just attack them putting w10 as a normal update.
cross is not cancel, cross is close.
as to it's function it depends on the program and always has. mainly if it runs in the background or not.
windows update has always run in the background, just like many other programs, and pressing the x does not close it.
not has the x changed anything in this example. you've already given permission for automatic updates.
your standing is pure nonsense.
if you want to attack microsft, just attack them putting w10 as a normal update.
From the above link :
I'm not ignoring the programs you've mentioned at all - I was pointing out how the core systems work and as a consequence, what the average user's expectations of how windows generally works. I know how these things work and the reasons for them doing what they do - I'll say it again, I'm not talking about my expectations here at all.
Automatic updates are on as default by the way...but I'm sure we both know this.
I'm not ignoring the programs you've mentioned at all - I was pointing out how the core systems work and as a consequence, what the average user's expectations of how windows generally works. I know how these things work and the reasons for them doing what they do - I'll say it again, I'm not talking about my expectations here at all.
Automatic updates are on as default by the way...but I'm sure we both know this.
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I found the daily nag to 'upgrade' to Win 10 annoying. Too late for the OP now, but last year I googled "how to disable win 10 messages". From there, I found a blog that said to go into Windows Update, locate an update called KBxxxxxx, where KB stands for the MS Knowledgebase and the xxxxxx was a series of numbers. Select that update, elect to hide it then the popup never appears again.
I know Windows 10 has been fairly accepted now, but I'm still on the sceptical bandwagon and stayed on Win 8.1 on this laptop (and Win 7 on my other laptop).
I know Windows 10 has been fairly accepted now, but I'm still on the sceptical bandwagon and stayed on Win 8.1 on this laptop (and Win 7 on my other laptop).
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The close button closes the dialogue. If it runs in the background then it'll minimise to the task tray, if it doesn't then the application will shut down. That's how it's always been.
Funny,really. Had this have been some malware popup the standard reply would have been "you need to read, then". But, because it's MS that's somehow an excuse to stop applying some common sense and lay the blame at MS rather than yourselves.
Funny,really. Had this have been some malware popup the standard reply would have been "you need to read, then". But, because it's MS that's somehow an excuse to stop applying some common sense and lay the blame at MS rather than yourselves.
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This is key. Microsoft changed the behaviour of GWX between versions.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...s-effective-damaging-desirable-and-deceptive/