Windows 8 - Great RAM Limits, but Touchscreen? (No Thanks)

100% correct.

Windows 8 is simply a money maker for Microsoft.

Basically, Apple and Google already had a massive user base for their respective app ecosystems. When Windows Phone 7/8 was released Microsoft had no user base at all. So they have exploited what they did have, their Desktop Windows users, to basically force them into using big screen versions of Microsoft's Mobile apps. This is why fonts are so huge, so much blank space, etc., etc.

It would have been the easiest thing in the world to simply add an option at first start-up for the user to choose either Metro or Standard Start Menu, but they didn't. This is why you cant boot directly to the desktop. They want a huge 4x2 button to their app store to be the first thing people see when they turn on their computer, launch a program, or do anything.

It's cool if people like what they've done, or don't understand why they've done it, after all that's the blooming point :D But from a professional's standpoint who knows what's going on, it's like a virus.

You could go out on a shopping spree today and buy a Windows 8 PC, a Mac, and an Ubuntu Linux machine. All three, out of the box, will have a visible icon for an app store or repository through which you can download free apps or purchase paid apps. Thankfully on all three operating systems you can easily remove this icon and never have to look at it again. Your argument seems to be against the general concept of an OS vendor hosting a software repository as a service to developers and consumers?

To say a product or service is 'simply a money maker' for a business (duh?) and use that as a brush to create an insidious picture of the situation just shows how far people are willing to go to paint things in the most negative light possible. "Virus", "force", "exploited"... it's actually ok to just simply not like the app store model, without all the hyperbole.

Charging 20-30% on optional app purchases is not some conspiracy waiting to be uncovered. 30% of free is nothing, and companies still have ways of making sure Microsoft doesn't get a cut at all. For smaller developers, I, and I'm sure lots of others, are actually thankful for an easy way to pay for some of the tools we use, especially the free and open source stuff people have been maintaining for years. If that incentivises them to continuously improve the app, and discourages them from resorting to bundling Ask and Google toolbars in their products, then isn't that a good thing?

The comical thing is I can almost guarantee that after people have finished their round of condemnation they will turn to their BlackBerry, Ubuntu box, Mac, iPhone/iPad, Android tablet, ChromeBook, whatever, and quite happily accept the terms and use the features they've just been lamenting about.

The biggest "business fail" for Windows 8 regarding the apps and the metro stuff is not being able to properly configure the Start screen, automatically provisioning apps is both limited and more difficult than it needs to be, and side-loading options seem very much geared towards enterprise and not SMBs. But I hear almost nobody complain about those and similar issues on this forum, because people are too busy bickering about high level stuff, telling each other in absolute black & white terms that this is the best/worst thing ever to happen to computing, and pretending that they don't have the choice to not use what they quite clearly have a distaste for.
 
BT Openreach engineers have Windows 8 running on their Panasonic Toughbook convertibles, but I guess they don't count as a large business.

Must admit I wasn't aware of this - but reading into it W8 was made available to them in 2011 so my comment about not adopting on release still stands as they started using it in late 2012.
 
Must admit I wasn't aware of this - but reading into it W8 was made available to them in 2011 so my comment about not adopting on release still stands as they started using it in late 2012.

You're generally correct in saying a large business is not going to roll out a new OS when it's very new. It's just common sense.
 
As it happens our tablets have been supplied with W8 for the last 2 months. Most of us are still using W7 however. They do connect to a completely different network to the rest of the company (that the server runs 2k12 as well with the rest still on 2k8). But we're only 200 employees or so.
 
Meanwhile, Sighn, boldly daring to be on topic:

OP, I would go for StartIsBack due to how cheap it is to obtain a license whilst not injecting any services into the operating system itself.

I bought licenses myself of the product but stuck to just using Metro in the end.
 
I could never have a touch screen monitor because the constant fingerprints and dirty screen would drive me mad.

What I'd love is to have a second touch screen monitor (say a 12" screen) dedicated to the start screen and touch programs with the main monitor desktop only. Is that setupable?
 
What I'd love is to have a second touch screen monitor (say a 12" screen) dedicated to the start screen and touch programs with the main monitor desktop only. Is that setupable?

Will be in 8.1 or at least we think it will be. 8.1 should allow you to chose where the start screen is on multi monitor set ups.

As to orginal question, like many others have said, you do not need touchscreen in the slightests for win8, give it a go for a fortnight and if you must, then put startisback or one of the others on it.
Don't automatically discount metro apps though, use what ever is better. The audible/netflix/news type apps are far better in metro. And calculator. It's great having calculator and excel in split screen takes one drag of the mouse, rather than trying to resize to conventional apps to sit side by side.
 
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Be aware, Start8 does a good job, but there are still some Windows 8 nasties waiting to bite you on the bum.

In my opinion, a new operating system should not entail hours of tearing ones hair out and finally only coming to accept it thanks to a 3rd party program that circumnavigates all the bs that M$ is wanting to ram down its consumers throats.

I am a reluctant Windows 8 user (came with laptop and cant be bothered to install Windows 7 from scratch.....again) and can tolerate it with Start8, but I would take Windows 7 over 8 any day of the week.

The only people I know who seem to love Windows 8 are tech forum geeks. A guy I know who is an IT professional and works with computers and networks at a far deeper level than I woudl understande, states that Windows 8 is firmly in the sin bin as far as business PCs are concerned. For them, windows 7 is the way ahead.

Windows 8 = Fail OS.

Great comprehensive reasoning! Thanks.
 
Total tosh.

Use Start8 or simply Esc out of Metro with a SINGLE keystroke, once.

That it, it will never come back again unless you launch it. Otherise Windows 8 is 95% the same as Windows 7 in general usage.

Who cares about the business world? They stick with a stable platform for BUSINESS reasons (Security, Application Compatibility etc) Reasons that are of ZERO consequence to a home user.

Under the hood Windows 8 is an all round better operating system. 'Professional' standpoint? Again, a totally ridiculous notion. Business will not migrate to Windows 8 now just like they did not migrate to Windows 7, Vista or XP for many many years. The whole "I've got a friend who sez it's crap" is laughable. Windows 8 WILL be adopted in due course.

Makes sense. Start8 is favoured by many people (from what I have read).

Thanks.
 
To say a product or service is 'simply a money maker' for a business (duh?) and use that as a brush to create an insidious picture of the situation just shows how far people are willing to go to paint things in the most negative light possible. "Virus", "force", "exploited"... it's actually ok to just simply not like the app store model, without all the hyperbole.

Thank you for your response.

I agree. It is just too much to go down the road of "Microsoft is evil / it's a conspiracy / they killed JFK!". Certain things benefit certain people and not others. I don't believe that most of the planet would use Microsoft products if the company was genuinely nasty and corrupt.
 
I use W8 on all my machines now

Never really used the start menu, I pin programs that I use daily to the taskbar, and if there's a program that isn't on there that I want, I hit the windows key, start typing it's name, then hit enter. -this feature has worked since Vista

The W8 start screen works essentially in the same way as W7, it just looks different
 
I'm going to be switching to Windows 8 next week, if I don't like it after giving it a month or 2 to try out then I'll just switch back to 7. Thankfully it won't cost me anything to upgrade to 8 (otherwise I'd just stick with 7).

I have no plans to buy a touchscreen either, I don't want fingerprints on my monitors.


Clicked, watched, want this.


Clicked, watched, want that too now lol.
 
Breadcrumbs are better than the Up button IMO since you can go up multiple levels in a single click. OK so you have to be able to click that directory and it may not always be in the same place so not consistent... in which case use Alt+Up instead.
 
I've been using Windows 8.1 for a few days and I could probably get used to it. I went back to Windows 7 today and it was like going back to a pair of really comfortable shoes! Metro doesn't do much me, even the name sounds tacky. Performance wise I didn't notice any difference between the two systems.
 
fortunately the latest beta of start8 (1.17) can override the stupid hotbutton thing that 8.1 puts in, so I will be able to continue using windows 8 as though it were windows 7 only better..
 
fortunately the latest beta of start8 (1.17) can override the stupid hotbutton thing that 8.1 puts in, so I will be able to continue using windows 8 as though it were windows 7 only better..

Just need something to reintegrate Libraries into Computer/File Explorer.
 
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