Winter tires

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Is there any use in buying winter tires or snow chains,socks the snow up here in Northumberland can sometimes get quite bad and I'm just wondering if I will get any use out of the above
 
I always feel tired in the winter, I think it's the lack of sun.

Spare set of wheels with winter TYRES can be useful. ;)
 
Winter tyres are good for more than just snow, they provide improved grip, control and brakeing in cold weather, wet conditions and ice (yes, even in ice!).

Well worth the investment if you do more than a few miles.
 
Alternatively you could strap a flame thrower to the front of the car and melt the ice as you go... top gear style... I really have nothing else to add, but yea buy some winter tyres.
 
I have snow chains. Havent had to use them though (yet!). They cost me £35. TUV approved and self adjusting.

I keep them, along with a small shovel incase the worst happens. Dont take up much room in the boot at all.

If you have the storage space and the money, then of course winter tyres on a spare set of wheels would be better.
 
The snow was worst i've seen it the entire time i've been driving last winter up here, and I never had any problems with my summer tyres even when all the other cars around me kept getting stuck. If you drive accordingly you don't really need them, unless of course your car is just crud in the snow, then of course some extra grip would help. The problem is snow is usually on the roads for 1-2 weeks maximum, and people that fit winter tyres will get what I call the "i've got a 4x4" invincibility feeling when driving in winter conditions (those are usually the first ones in a ditch)
If you like driving fast then sure, go for it, you'll probably need them, but there really is no NEED for winter tyres.
 
I'm almost tempted to get some this year for both cars.

The Punto on its Bridgestones was good in the snow but my gf isn't the most confident when it comes to winter driving.

The Octavia on FK452's was pretty dire really. Almost got it stuck on a really slight incline on ice!
 
but there really is no NEED for winter tyres.

But on train of thought the is no NEED for decent tyres at all, we may as well just buy linglongs, winter lasts for three months (Dec/Jan/Feb) and for those months winter tyres outperform all season and summer tyres. Its not that they grip better, its that the other tyres lose grip in the winter.



[TW]Fox;19844610 said:
Why would someone pay to have something fitted they don't feel is worth it?

They may have had them fitted then decided they weren't worth it, I think he was trying to decide if the naysayers had done that or were just trashing something they had no experience of.
 
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They may have had them fitted then decided they weren't worth it, I think he was trying to decide if the naysayers had done that or were just trashing something they had no experience of.
This is what I'm trying to get at.

I have had several sets of winter tyres and in any condition where the ambient temperature is lower than around 8 degrees, winter tyres are superior than summer tyres.
 
Having lived somewhere for five where winter tyres are mandatory and where there were actually cold winters (Munich) it always makes me chuckle when I see people in the UK recommending them. In Munich people can't wait to get the things off, it seems the opposite in the UK and you see people putting them on in October. I'm sure half of it is that people on motoring forums like to have sigs with "I HAVE WINTER TYRES" in them. ;)

Although saying that, it may be that it's worth it somewhere like Northumberland, certainly not in the South of England though.
 
Its still summer yet!

But i'll be getting a set for my chevy this winter. My jeep has Mitchelin mud and snow and they were great last year.
 
I do not fit winter tyres to my car and I do not intend to. This is my rationale, though this year I'm going to make a big effort not to internet-rage on the subject every 10 seconds.

1) I live in Devon. Down here, snow is very rare. It was on the ground for about 2 weeks tops last year. During this two week period I was still able to get around despite the snow. Yes, I experienced a lack of grip on the minor road to the main road but I drove to the conditions and once on the gritted main road, had no issues.

2) I do not buy into the blanket statement that under 8c, winter tyres are better. Logically, this cannot be the case. There cannot be an arbitary temperature where every single tyre of Type A outperforms every single tyre of Type B. Given that 10% often seperates the performance credentials of the top end wet weather high performance tyres, how can a winter tyre be 10% better than 'all summer tyres'? It makes no sense. The comparisons are also often very, very general. You'll see graphs showing 'A summer tyre'. What summer tyre? A Ling long? A Pirelli P6000? A Pilot Sport 3? What? There is probably 30% performance difference between a P6000 and a Pilot Sport 3, so does that mean if a winter tyre is 10% better than a P6000 under 8c, that logically a PS3 is 20% better than the winter tyre? Who knows.

Once I did see a test which actually bothered to include a named, decent high performance tyre. And suprise suprise - it trounced all the winter tyres in every single test bar the snow one, where it predictably performed absolutely dreadfully and therefore ended up coming last to cries of 'Look how great winter tyres are'. Yea, useful.

3) I would purchase winter tyres if I covered a lot of miles per year in areas of the country where the chance of encountering packed snow on the carriageway was high. I'm not going to sit here and argue that winter tyres are not better than summer tyres on the snow. They are, end of story.

4) In this country, it doesn't snow much. Yes, really. It doesn't snow much. It might feel like it does, because when it does snow for a whole 3 weeks we have blanket 24/7 news coverage and doom mongering headlines. but think WHY we have this. Why does everyone go bonkers? Why is it lead item on the news for 3 weeks? Why does it cause economic output to fall? Because its a RARE WEATHER EVENT. Go to Austria or parts of California where snow arrives in October, covers everything, and doesn't leave until May. THAT is proper winter and THAT is where winter tyres and snow tyres/chains are a complete no brainer. Which, coincidently, is also why many countries with that weather pattern have legislation around the use of such tyres.

I actually drove to Scotland last Christmas - for much of the trip I was sat on the M5 and M6 at am ambient temperature of up to 9c, on a wet Motorway. Until somebody can categorically demonstrate that 'Random winter tyre' would have offered me a safety advantage of the class leading wet performance tyre I had fitted, I'm not bothered, thanks very much. And you'll need to do better than 'Michelin Super Extreme WinterTastic Performa+ outperforms 'GENERIC SUMMER TYRE' by 10%'.

If I lived in Aberdeen I might have a different opinion, but as long as I live in the South of England, I won't. There is far too much bandwagoning on the internet these days.
 
My Mrs is from Finland. She laughed at one of my mates who was talking to me about putting winter tyres on his car. "But, you don't have winter in England" she said.
 
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