Wish i could un-see

[Schlong&Stable]

This is Syria and these are the consequences or our foreign policy.

No, it's not.

If we did nothing, people would still suffer and die.
If we attack Assads forces, people would still suffer and die.
If we attack the Rebel forces, people would still suffer and die.
If we continue to bomb ISIS, people will still suffer and die.

If you want to blame the human catastrophe that is Syria on someone, blame it on those citizens of Syria who wanted real democracy and the dictator who refused them. Blame it one the Sunni and Shia powers who are using Syria as a battleground for the deep rooted secular conflict that has been going on for centuries. Blame it on the religious fanatics in ISIS that took the chaos as an opportunity to resurrect an Islamic state with a reign of terror. Blame Russia for arming and then assisting the Assad regime who carries out indiscriminate bombing on civilian areas.

The last people you should be blaming is the West, who for all their faults, have tried time and time again to create a world governed by law and order, promoting liberal ideas about equality and so forth. It's not always been clean and of course sinister things have been done in order to reach that goal, but on the whole, the West and ourselves have been a force for actual good in the world. This "white guilt" needs to stop.

 

[FoxEye]

Says who?

How about accepting that it is just fine to not donate to a charity?
Are people actually offended by people who can afford to donate but dont?

People are offended by everything Doubly so for anything I post lol.

I didn't say CEOs are the only factor. Also that many will only take payment by direct debit (some exceptions to this "rule" have been suggested above).

But also that some of these charities - thinking here about the RSPCA for one - are ploughing a lot of money (which comes from donations) into political lobbying, and fighting frivolous legal battles.

I can't I'm afraid get my head around the "necessity" of paying charity CEOs 6 figure salaries, rightly or (as many here have asserted) wrongly. I don't like it, I wont support any large, global, multi-million pound charity with a CEO on that kind of pay. "Attracting the right talent" be damned.

There is one UK charity, with branches in major cities up and down the country, where almost every regional manager earns a 6 figure salary. I wish I could remember the name...

Anyway, at the risk of triggering even more people, it's unlikely I'm going to donate to any major charity any time soon, because I'm not even sure I necessarily agree that throwing money at the world's problems will fix them. Money won't fix countries with rampant corruption. Money won't make it a good idea to have growing populations in drought and famine-prone regions of the world, which aren't properly suited to vast human populations.

Sometimes I think you have to be cold. To wonder if perhaps every kid you pay to feed in a Ethiopia where the land just can't sustain them, will have six more of his or her own, who will then need more food aid to survive.

You can call it making excuses if you wish. But frankly we've had 30 years of charities telling us we can save X,Y,Z. And 30 years later they're still telling us the world is a **** place for X,Y,Z, and they need your donation to fix it.

The reality is, either we can't fix the problems with money, or the charities are more interested in keeping the money flowing, and the **** that's going down in these countries is just a great marketing ploy to pull on your heart strings. Maybe I'm immune coz I'm a heartless ass, or maybe not.

e: The charity I was thinking of is Ace Concern. Each city has its own "branch" with its own CEO. And *each* of these CEOs (one for each major city, remember) gets paid a 6 figure salary. Like this one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oans-80-000-110-000-year-chief-executive.html

(Warning: DM link!!)

 

[Scania]

I do wish I could un-see some things, a biker being decapitated on the M2 a few years ago right in front of my truck still haunts me.

As for stuff on Facebook, I make a conscious choice not to click on them.

 

[RoboCod]

No, it's not.

If we did nothing, people would still suffer and die.
If we attack Assads forces, people would still suffer and die.
If we attack the Rebel forces, people would still suffer and die.
If we continue to bomb ISIS, people will still suffer and die.

If you want to blame the human catastrophe that is Syria on someone, blame it on those citizens of Syria who wanted real democracy and the dictator who refused them. Blame it one the Sunni and Shia powers who are using Syria as a battleground for the deep rooted secular conflict that has been going on for centuries. Blame it on the religious fanatics in ISIS that took the chaos as an opportunity to resurrect an Islamic state with a reign of terror. Blame Russia for arming and then assisting the Assad regime who carries out indiscriminate bombing on civilian areas.

The last people you should be blaming is the West, who for all their faults, have tried time and time again to create a world governed by law and order, promoting liberal ideas about equality and so forth. It's not always been clean and of course sinister things have been done in order to reach that goal, but on the whole, the West and ourselves have been a force for actual good in the world. This "white guilt" needs to stop.

Well said. However, this doesn't fit the rhetoric that people like to bang on over the internet, so it will be lost on most.

 

[itchy]

This "white guilt" needs to stop.

But, but black lives matter!

OP if you actually think about and concern yourself about all the cruelty, abuse and down right absurd things that we so called humans get up to.
You might as well jump under a bus, I have a motto and I have to stick by it
"****`em.com".

We live on a spinning rock with a species called humans and they nasty little buggers when they start. Its up to you to make your rainbows and unicorns to get by in day to day life.

As for snuff/smut vids which that's what this is explained to be, I never watch them at all.

My mate showed me a vid of some guy getting his face ripped off in a motorcycle accident, top entertainment not!

 

[[ASSE]Hinchy]

Saw the video last night and it was harrowing. My daughter is 18 months old so probably not much younger than the girl in the video. My daughter can walk, but as far as independence goes that is it. I couldn't imagine her being left alone like the girl in that video with a nappy that hasn't been changed for days, not understanding what is going on around her and how to help herself. It is the helplessness that I find so upsetting.

What is particularly unpleasant is that there are people immediately around her yet none of them helping - albeit it is a 5 second clip so we hardly get a full story..

Before becoming a dad I would have been moved by that video but certainly not to this extent. It absolutely broke my heart to watch it and I can only be grateful that my daughter has not been born into such circumstances.

A horrible reminder of what an unpleasant world we live in.

 

[Amp34]

What about American Red Cross then?

I'm intrigued. What is the ARC? It's a foundation from what I can see, so it does as he says.

 

[Amp34]

People are offended by everything Doubly so for anything I post lol.

I didn't say CEOs are the only factor. Also that many will only take payment by direct debit (some exceptions to this "rule" have been suggested above).

But also that some of these charities - thinking here about the RSPCA for one - are ploughing a lot of money (which comes from donations) into political lobbying, and fighting frivolous legal battles.

I can't I'm afraid get my head around the "necessity" of paying charity CEOs 6 figure salaries, rightly or (as many here have asserted) wrongly. I don't like it, I wont support any large, global, multi-million pound charity with a CEO on that kind of pay. "Attracting the right talent" be damned.

There is one UK charity, with branches in major cities up and down the country, where almost every regional manager earns a 6 figure salary. I wish I could remember the name...

Anyway, at the risk of triggering even more people, it's unlikely I'm going to donate to any major charity any time soon, because I'm not even sure I necessarily agree that throwing money at the world's problems will fix them. Money won't fix countries with rampant corruption. Money won't make it a good idea to have growing populations in drought and famine-prone regions of the world, which aren't properly suited to vast human populations.

Sometimes I think you have to be cold. To wonder if perhaps every kid you pay to feed in a Ethiopia where the land just can't sustain them, will have six more of his or her own, who will then need more food aid to survive.

You can call it making excuses if you wish. But frankly we've had 30 years of charities telling us we can save X,Y,Z. And 30 years later they're still telling us the world is a **** place for X,Y,Z, and they need your donation to fix it.

The reality is, either we can't fix the problems with money, or the charities are more interested in keeping the money flowing, and the **** that's going down in these countries is just a great marketing ploy to pull on your heart strings. Maybe I'm immune coz I'm a heartless ass, or maybe not.

e: The charity I was thinking of is Ace Concern. Each city has its own "branch" with its own CEO. And *each* of these CEOs (one for each major city, remember) gets paid a 6 figure salary. Like this one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oans-80-000-110-000-year-chief-executive.html

(Warning: DM link!!)

I doubt you'll find any charity that won't accept cash/bank transfer/cheque, but most probably won't accept it in hand at a door (for the reasons mentioned above).

Political lobbying, while not spent directly on those/things in need can also make a large difference. Whether it be helping change the law to to tighten up animal cruelty (for example) or by persuading the government to spend more money on things, so charities don't need to spend it instead. It may not all be positive, but lobbying in and of itself is not a bad thing.

While there is still a lot of negativity around the world charities, NGOs and money have done a huge amount in the last few decades, everything from building more schools and educating both young and old alike, to providing mosquito nets and drugs to help reduce the medical toll on communities.

There is a lot of corruption in the world, but one of the biggest issues you'll find is actually the poverty trap I mentioned earlier. Some charities aren't necessarily spending properly, some of the money is probably being wasted and some of the money is going to direct humanitarian causes (such as disaster relief), and some of the money is also going to help population increase in unsustainable locations.

The reality is though most of the money is doing good things, and have made a massive difference to parts of the world. Getting countries out of poverty traps is the biggest fight right now. It's worked in a few places and is on it's way to working in many others. The biggest issue is stability (usually caused by external influences) and just getting money in the first place to build the hospitals and schools.

Lets be clear here, I'm not arguing that you should donate to big charities - personally I much prefer donating to smaller charities (largely environmental) where you know exactly what cause it is going to - but that your pessimism is largely misplaced.

That said, big orgs do have their place, they are the ones that can do things worldwide, and have the lobbying power to make a difference with governments and big business (e.g. the large environmental charities having a major influence on everything from climate change to worldwide bans on Ivory etc.)

IMO the best thing to do is go onto the charities commission pages and see what the charity you are potentially donating to is actually like.

 

[itchy]

Its really sick a human can video another humans death, that Colonel Gaddafi smut was bad enough and that was MSM.

We need to toughen up old boys, brill cream away and out with the boot polish I say old chaps!

 

[benneh]

Having a hard time coming to terms with what i just watched on facebook.

A video of a girl, probably around 2 laying next to a bin with a nappy full and leaking down her legs with flies going in and out. Her breathing is laboured and shes unconcious. Its so damn heartbreaking, and being a father this really cut deep! This is Syria and these are the consequences or our foreign policy.

How do you carry on or blank out things like this? I can tell this will be something thats engraved into my mind for life. It actually made me question my participation in this cruel vile world

Well as long as they don't let them IN HERE. Filthy *******s.

 

[dowie]

This is Syria and these are the consequences or our foreign policy.

riiiight

it is our fault... though it isn't clear yet whether you think it is our fault for not doing enough or whether it is our fault because we've carried out targeted strikes against ISIS?

Chances are you're looking at footage of Aleppo - that's the work of the Russians and the Assad regime.

Perhaps if you are an interventionist then it is our fault for not doing something when Obama's red line was crossed, maybe you think we should have sent in ground troops?

 

[dowie]

terrorists attack Syria
Syrian president requests help
Russia gives help to the government forces
you already know who the west helps

You seem to be ignoring - mass protests by civilians demanding change, mass killings of civilians by the Syrian regime.

Yup there are terror groups present too (on both sides of the conflict) but you're being rather silly in ignoring the main reason this is making headlines around the world and that is the massive numbers of civilian casualties and resulting refugee crisis.