Wonga.com going bust

Nobody was forcing people to take the loans out and the interest rates were clearly there for anyone to see before they signed on the dotted line. And anyway, those interest rates were aimed at people using the loan in the manner for it was intended, i.e. a short term to tide them over to pay day. If people decided to not pay the short term loan back in a short term and kept accruing silly levels of interest then they're ******* idiots who deserve whatever comes their way.
Couldn’t agree more. They were designed to tide you over for a week or so. £200 over a week only accrues £11 interest. Hardly bank busting

If you default, you’re gonna suffer. And there was such a high level of defaulters, Wonga had no choice but to charge high interest rates to mitigate their losses. It’s a normal business practice to cover yourselves.
 
I think Wonga and their ilk highlight a problem that is often brushed under the carpet by many as it suits their agenda. Some people want to shout at the big company ripping off the poor hard done by good people. The hard working, downtrodden good people who we should all support and help whenever we can, usually by taxing people more so we can help them, especially those fat cats etc. That of course neatly avoids confronting the fact and it is a fact, that vast swathes of our nation are unwilling to accept that they have a personal responsibility to spend appropriately for their income levels. To plan ahead, to think worst case, to ensure they set a level of expectancy that is realistic and don't strive to be something their income simply doesn't support. These companies are not sustained by food bills. They are sustained by shiny new TV's, shiny new computers, shiny new phones, holidays, satellite TV, car payments, betting payments and various other things that frankly people could do without. Let's not lose site of this fact when we open up our cans of whoop ass on these types of companies.

Let's not pretend that the likes of Wonga exist so that poor sad bread line single mums can put food on the table for her child for that simply isn't the reason vast swathes of people use these types of business. I am no supporter of such companies either, I know that they prey on a demographic to support their business model but that is one side of the debate and it takes two to cause a problem. The drug taker and the dealer and for me one goes out of business when the addicts stop. We can't remove personal responsibility from the equation but in my 51 years I have seen this element getting sidelined, people instead seeking to move the debate to the dealers. Stop the addiction and the dealers will go out of business, don't make the argument "why should I stop, I likes me drugs".
 
No one's forcing anyone but isn't it a bit twisted offering heroin to a druggy or a bottle of vodka to a alcoholic?

Offering money to some irresponsible idiot is no different. Their business model was flawed when new regulations came in. End of story. Digital loan sharks.
 
No one's forcing anyone but isn't it a bit twisted offering heroin to a druggy or a bottle of vodka to a alcoholic?

Offering money to some irresponsible idiot is no different. Their business model was flawed when new regulations came in. End of story. Digital loan sharks.

Both debates with merit, but lets confront both and not make it one persons fault. To my point, many of these people can say no, they just chose not to and then moan when they can't repay the debt. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
I can't blame Wonga for exploiting people when the law allowed them to do so.

That's one of the cornerstones of capitalism and to some extent, it happens in almost every business.
 

Have to agree, I only know a few people who have used payday lenders, and it has always been to fund things like nights out just before payday, etc.

I also completely agree about your point around lack of personal responsibility - its an awful business model that takes advantage of those stuck in a cycle of debt but nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to use them. Its a **** product, even if it feels like your only option, its still a **** product. At one point in my life I had around £30k-£40k of unsecured debt against a pre-tax income of £38.5k and I was drowning in interest payments. I didn't complain to the banks, I didn't go after the credit card companies, because it was my own spending and lifestyle well beyond my means that had put me in trouble. It was a horrific experience and not one I would want anybody else to go through, but I sure as **** did learn my lesson.
 
Amigo Loans was my favorite, get your mate to hold the can when you can't afford to pay your superloan back.

I had a couple of people ask me to be guarantor for these payday loans, one way to quickly sour a relationship.
 
Amigo Loans was my favorite, get your mate to hold the can when you can't afford to pay your superloan back.

I had a couple of people ask me to be guarantor for these payday loans, one way to quickly sour a relationship.

Guarantors on loans is standard practice when the borrower is of heightened risk. You even see this on some rental agreements. My wife I had had a guarantor clause for our first rental flat because we had recently arrived in the UK. Fortunately one of my friends stepped in knowing that we were trustworthy else we'd be stuck.

But I agree, I wouldn't be a guarantor for anyone for a payday loan. If my family or close friends needed money then I'd simply lend it to them directly. If I can't trust them enough to do that then there's no way I'm making it legally binding.
 
Both debates with merit, but lets confront both and not make it one persons fault. To my point, many of these people can say no, they just chose not to and then moan when they can't repay the debt. Stupid is as stupid does.

An old workmate of mine used Wonga a few times for stupid things when he'd blown his wages before payday. He never had any problems paying it back a week or so later but I was slightly alarmed by the advertising text messages he used to get every few days encouraging him to borrow again.
Perhaps rightly or wrongly it actually reminded me of my heroin addicted sister who I had a heart to heart with years ago, she explained to me how even when she was trying to get clean she'd get texts from dealers saying they were in the area and how they had the best gear and they were happy to tick. Its dangling a carrot in front of vulnerable people knowing they'll likely bite.
 
...He never had any problems paying it back a week or so later but I was slightly alarmed by the advertising text messages he used to get every few days encouraging him to borrow again.

It's no different to retailers sending you advertisements if you've agreed to it though? No one is forcing them to use the service again and they can always request to be removed from the notifications.
 
It's no different to retailers sending you advertisements if you've agreed to it though? No one is forcing them to use the service again and they can always request to be removed from the notifications.
Well, I always thought the likes of Wonga advertised their services as a short term openly expensive quick fix so personally I see it differently. But yes, they aren't forcing people to use the service.
 
Wonga's business model found a loophole where banks could/would not lend to people who were a very poor risk ie would likely have trouble paying back money, but Wonga was allowed to give them short term loans with massive, insane interest rates. Then Wonga harassed them, and sent the bailiffs in to get their sky-rocketed debt. They basically encouraged the poor to run up huge debts, and then fleeced them - all legally.

Sure, it's easy to say these people knew what they were getting into, but if you're poor, desperate and stupid (a lot of people don't even know how compound interest works), then you quickly get yourself into trouble and huge debts.
 
Well, I always thought the likes of Wonga advertised their services as a short term openly expensive quick fix so personally I see it differently. But yes, they aren't forcing people to use the service.

Not sure I get the point you're conveying? I agree in that they "advertised their services as a short term openly expensive quick fix". There were no hidden charges if you kept to the agreed schedule. I do appreciate that it would quickly spiral out of hand if you missed the repayment schedule though. In line with the nanny state mentally their business practice was arguably unethical and predatory.
 
Not sure I get the point you're conveying? I agree in that they "advertised their services as a short term openly expensive quick fix". There were no hidden charges if you kept to the agreed schedule. I do appreciate that it would quickly spiral out of hand if you missed the repayment schedule though. In line with the nanny state mentally their business practice was arguably unethical and predatory.

What I was getting at was if say Currys advertise me a deal on a TV and I go for it, it isn't their knowledge whether I can afford it or not nor do they know the trouble I could be getting myself in, whereas Wonga is in the business of debt and I'm sure would like nothing more than to see me struggle to pay for their service as they continue to make more money from it. I guess its all down to perception and probably isn't really much different.
 
Sure, it's easy to say these people knew what they were getting into, but if you're poor, desperate and stupid (a lot of people don't even know how compound interest works), then you quickly get yourself into trouble and huge debts.

Sadly it's not even the uneducated. I knew several adults who didn't understand compound interest and even amortisation without a lot of explaining and examples. Disturbing really since it's taught at late primary to early high school?
 
Sadly it's not even the uneducated. I knew several adults who didn't understand compound interest and even amortisation without a lot of explaining and examples. Disturbing really since it's taught at late primary to early high school?
There are city traders who used Wonga
 
What I was getting at was if say Currys advertise me a deal on a TV and I go for it, it isn't their knowledge whether I can afford it or not nor do they know the trouble I could be getting myself in, whereas Wonga is in the business of debt and I'm sure would like nothing more than to see me struggle to pay for their service as they continue to make more money from it. I guess its all down to perception and probably isn't really much different.

Thanks for explaining your point and I agree, there is an increased duty of care from Wonga in regards to this. Banks got into similar trouble with regulators during the credit boom. In a similar fashion I placed a good amount of responsibility on borrowers then as well. Not completely unsympathetic but people do need to own their share of responsibility for getting into too much debt.

A close and long term friend of mine who makes a very good income still has debt issues since he refuses to listen to good advise and practice some restraint.
 
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