Work for someone you hate?

spoffle · 5 Jun 2015 at 00:05

Orionaut said:
He didn't, but she is part of the same family.

So? That's an absolutely awful metric.

And the business enquiry is to my mind "Suspicious"

On what basis? You don't have anything to suggest this that is valid. She has brothers that are apparently arse holes. That's it.

I DO subscribe to Blood being thicker than water so in the OP's position I would regard the Sister as being just as dangerous as the Brothers.

Okay, but that doesn't mean it's true. You don't have any basis for thinking that she's "just as dangerous".

If you want to put everything into the open and make it part of some sort of peace treaty that "might" be a plan (possibly even a good one)

Peace treaty? The OP and the sister haven't done anything...

It isn't sensible for him to adopt this odd family feud.

But I am sure that they know exactly who you (OP ) are!

Work on that basis! :/

How can you not see that you're making assumptions, then stating that you're sure of the things you've said?

So what you are essentially saying is that if someone does something awful, then you automatically distrust that person's whole family because "blood is thicker than water".

Also, to note, "blood is thicker than water" doesn't mean everyone in a family acts the same way, or is the same way inclined.

Zenduri · 5 Jun 2015 at 00:13

TheMightyTen said:
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You're a wizard Harry!

Orionaut · 5 Jun 2015 at 00:29

Are you nuts OF COURSE I AM MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!

That's how you don't end up being eaten by Lions!

From what has been said so far the "Best" outcome is likely to be being not paid.

The worst is likely to be ending up in the canal face down!

(Unless a really open/honest attempt is made with the intention of burying the hatchet)

I still call set up

I think OP should be up front and try to make the best of it and bury the hatchet if he can. If not he should walk away (And he should not be alone when he tries to do this!)

If he pretends to be simply some sort of outside contractor this will end in disaster! (For both him and everybody else)

spoffle · 5 Jun 2015 at 00:36

Orionaut said:
Are you nuts OF COURSE I AM MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!

That's how you don't end up being eaten by Lions!

You're making assumptions based on nothing. We know how lions behave. What you're doing is assuming how something else will behave, because you know how lions behave.

From what has been said so far the "Best" outcome is likely to be being not paid.

No, no it isn't. Nothing has been said to suggest this at all.

The worst is likely to be ending up in the canal face down!

Oh lawd, is this real life?

(Unless a really open/honest attempt is made with the intention of burying the hatchet)

I still call set up

What hatchet? The OP, and it sounds like the sister, aren't even involved. There is no hatchet to bury. :confused:

I think OP should be up front and try to make the best of it and bury the hatchet if he can. If not he should walk away (And he should not be alone when he tries to do this!)

What hatchet? You're acting like you know all these people, bloody hell.

If he pretends to be simply some sort of outside contractor this will end in disaster! (For both him and everybody else)

Ughh my brain. Stop acting like you know these people.

Orionaut · 5 Jun 2015 at 00:56

spoffle said:
You're making assumptions based on nothing. We know how lions behave. What you're doing is assuming how something else will behave, because you know how lions behave.

No, no it isn't. Nothing has been said to suggest this at all.

Oh lawd, is this real life?

What hatchet? The OP, and it sounds like the sister, aren't even involved. There is no hatchet to bury.

What hatchet? You're acting like you know all these people, bloody hell.

Ughh my brain. Stop acting like you know these people.

Side question (Because I am genuinely curious) 20/30 words, describe your background and current employment/living?

How really would you feel about working for somebody who's "Brother's completely mad tortured my parents & threatened my Dad, poured paint thinner over car bonnet etc."

Would you really treat this as just another job?

Would you really treat an enquiry from a company operated by a member of the same family as just another enquiry??

Reality??

(That was a Freudian slip but quite a good one so I let it stand)

Really??

spoffle · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:00

I'm a graphic designer/artist as well as web designer.

I'm not going to refuse work because people have awful family members.

The point you seem to be missing is that her brothers did that (apparently, taking the OP's word for it), not the sister.

You blame people for the things THEY do, not the things people in their family do.

Orionaut · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:13

spoffle said:
I'm a graphic designer/artist as well as web designer.

I'm not going to refuse work because people have awful family members.

The point you seem to be missing is that her brothers did that (apparently, taking the OP's word for it), not the sister.

You blame people for the things THEY do, not the things people in their family do.

I am not "Blaming" her.

But would you really be willing to commit to do work (On credit) for people who have a major history of causing members of your own family significant harm? Really?

I am massively suspicious that she did not approach him openly stating who she was.

(I do not believe for one nanosecond that she does not know who he is)

Families mostly operate as Families. Given the (Claimed) back ground I would assume that any business approach would be part of the vendetta unless I had good (IE Cast iron) reason to believe otherwise!

Mynight · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:25

It would totally depend on the work. If it were a website I would work on the basis how easily could I resell/repurpose it if they failed to pay. If you have control of the source then there's nout they can do but pay and if they don't I could sell it to another.

To be fair I would also be working under contract so small claims court could make a huge mess of things should they refuse payment.

Edit: never know it could be a way to making amends between the families. Or at least a return to civility.

I guess I should add it depends on what the OP does.

Caged · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:30

It's a half day job that the OP can turn down without ending up poor. People are overthinking this.

spoffle · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:30

Orionaut said:
I am not "Blaming" her.

You are, indirectly.

But would you really be willing to commit to do work (On credit) for people who have a major history of causing members of your own family significant harm? Really?

You're still not getting it, she isn't one of the "people who have a major history of causing members of your own family significant harm".

I am massively suspicious that she did not approach him openly stating who she was.

But you don't know them, you don't even know the OP and you are just taking the OP's word for it. I'm not saying the OP is lying, but you are just blindly believing everything they say then running with it.

(I do not believe for one nanosecond that she does not know who he is)

Why? You don't know them, the OP or even much about the situation.

Families mostly operate as Families. Given the (Claimed) back ground I would assume that any business approach would be part of the vendetta unless I had good (IE Cast iron) reason to believe otherwise!

Why? I would assume that if she was like the brothers in the OP, then she couldn't handle owning and running a business whilst being such a troggo.

The bottom line is, you don't know these people, you don't know the OP, you don't know this woman and it seems like the OP doesn't even know much about this woman.

spoffle · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:32

Mynight said:
It would totally depend on the work. If it were a website I would work on the basis how easily could I resell/repurpose it if they failed to pay. If you have control of the source then there's nout they can do but pay and if they don't I could sell it to another.

To be fair I would also be working under contract so small claims court could make a huge mess of things should they refuse payment.

Edit: never know it could be a way to making amends between the families. Or at least a return to civility.

I guess I should add it depends on what the OP does.

The issue I'm taking here is that people are calling this a family feud because the OP's parents have had grief and hassle from 2 brothers from another family.

Is that really a family feud? It doesn't even sound like the OP knows much about the family bar the two brothers sounding like arse holes.

It's being over thought. He hasn't even been contacted the woman directly. This woman can't have a company where she employs people and really be down for playing games like this.

I also think it's utterly ludicrous to judge someone on the actions of other people in their family.

Mynight · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:36

Well I guess it would require more information to be definitive.

spoffle · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:38

Mynight said:
Well I guess it would require more information to be definitive.

Of course, which we're lacking, as well as it seems the OP.

People are essentially saying they think this woman is partial to some criminal damage solely on the basis of her having 2 brothers who've partaken in some criminal damage.

That is utterly ludicrous and mental, and really is the sort of pitch fork, mouth foaming bandwagon sort of attitude we need less of.

This is a step above the broken mentality of "there's no smoke without fire" nonsense that some people use to tar people as guilty based solely on an accusation.

Mynight · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:41

I agree with that. I see what you're saying now.

spoffle · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:43

I like how reasonable you are.

Mynight · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:44

Haha I try my best

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Thekwango · 5 Jun 2015 at 01:46

Mynight said:
Well I guess it would require more information to be definitive.

Very true. There are 2 options here, a) she's as crazy as a barrel of monkeys just like her brothers or b) she's perfectly normal and quite likely thinks her brothers are a pair of loonies. None of us are in a position to figure which is the correct option and neither is the OP by the sounds of it. However, if he has doubts whether they founded or not he should simply walk away.