Worth replacing my Storm with the D-Tek Fuzion?

AFK_Matrix · 10 Mar 2007 at 20:03

Ok gonna be getting a 8800GTX soon so gonna have to drain and redo me loop etc and was just thinking is it worth selling my storm g4 and getting the d-tek fuzion? The price difference won't be huge after i sell my storm so price isn't the issue, just performance.

Its gonna be sitting on an E6600.

Drazic · 10 Mar 2007 at 21:00

Yes do it, highly recomened. Just make sure you get the block totaly air free as it's nosiy with trapped air in there.

I bought a Storm rev2 with 1/2'' chrome babrs, mint base factory new looking (not been lapped), cleaned and modded hold down as the stock kits sucks for £25 delivered...just to say. New ones go for £35 posted online auctions!

Street · 10 Mar 2007 at 23:19

Yeh, I'd say go for it..

I've had my Fuzion sat here waiting for about three weeks for my new res to arrive before I fit it so I don't have to drain my loop twice. However I have heard that the Fuzion has a damn good flow rate so will go better with a GTX than a Storm will because it is less restrictive.

Kinsy · 10 Mar 2007 at 23:54

Whats the performance difference like? I'm using a Cascade which came before the Storm which isn't ideal as the block was really designed for Athlons/A64s, and I'm also tempted by a Fuzion now i have a Core2.

w3bbo · 11 Mar 2007 at 09:34

Its will be hard to beat a storm for naked core cpus as the jet impingment system the storm uses is very focused onto the centre of the chip. However as you have a C2D (with IHS I presume) then the fusion will work better as there is a much wider cooling base to the fusion. Its also a lot less restrictive than the storm. I noticed a 5c(idle) and 12c(load) drop going from a storm to a fusion for my E6600.

**EDIT** The Fusion also had a rad change from a black ice 120.3 to a PA120.3 which would account for a lot of the temp difference. Sorry

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MikeTimbers · 11 Mar 2007 at 10:30

w3bbo said:
Its will be hard to beat a storm for naked core cpus as the jet impingment system the storm uses is very focused onto the centre of the chip. However as you have a C2D (with IHS I presume) then the fusion will work better as there is a much wider cooling base to the fusion. Its also a lot less restrictive than the storm. I noticed a 5c(idle) and 12c(load) drop going from a storm to a fusion for my E6600.

Must be more than just raw block performance, surely! Not doubting your numbers, mate, but was the pump unsuited to the restrictiveness of the Storm? The Fusion must be allowing a lot more flow to have achieved such a difference!

Kinsy · 11 Mar 2007 at 11:03

MikeTimbers said:
Must be more than just raw block performance, surely! Not doubting your numbers, mate, but was the pump unsuited to the restrictiveness of the Storm? The Fusion must be allowing a lot more flow to have achieved such a difference!

The OP has a DDC Ultra so i dont think his pump is the problem there at all. For reference my Eheim 1250/2x120 unnamed Rad/Cascade struggles to keep the temps down below 70deg right now.

The way the Storm (and the cascade) was designed just doesn't suit a Core2 chip tbh, and if your including a block for your GTX more flow is only going to help.

w3bbo · 11 Mar 2007 at 12:51

MikeTimbers said:
Must be more than just raw block performance, surely! Not doubting your numbers, mate, but was the pump unsuited to the restrictiveness of the Storm? The Fusion must be allowing a lot more flow to have achieved such a difference!

OOOOPPS! Your right m8 - the new loop (D-Tek) has a PA120.3 as replacement for the black ice 120.3 rad. Might have something to do with the drop in temps

. Sorry for the crappy comparison numbers - shame on me.

Post edited to reflect this.

AFK_Matrix · 11 Mar 2007 at 15:35

Thanks for all your opinions guys they are very much appreciated. Looks like I will be going for a fuzion as the 6600 won't be ihs less. Also for the 8800GTX i was going for a ek full cover block with the acetal top (if i can find the damn thing) is there anything else out there worth considering? I really don't fancy paying 100+ quid for the danger den block so anything around the 50 quid mark is fine.

marscay · 11 Mar 2007 at 15:45

i've used both and to be honest i didn't see any noticable drop with the fuzion ...maybe 1-2c max but i didn't experiment much with mounting.

flowrates do increase though, my 8800 was definitely a little cooler and the reservoir had more action.

Kinsy · 11 Mar 2007 at 16:00

I have a EK 8800GTS block with the acetal top, temps are around 45 idle 52 load, and as for the clock i managed? On air i topped out the memory at 1024mhz but 3dmark would crash over 653mhz. With the waterblock I can manage benches and hours of Supreme Commander at 690mhz

Get the EK block over that overpriced Danger Den stuff any day

g00dsh0t · 11 Mar 2007 at 17:11

hi m8, if you get the fusion ,you will need a backplate(unless they have sorted it now) to stop motherboard bending
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1972379#post1972379

AFK_Matrix · 11 Mar 2007 at 19:56

g00dsh0t said:
hi m8, if you get the fusion ,you will need a backplate(unless they have sorted it now) to stop motherboard bending
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1972379#post1972379

Well that is very poor and has really annoyed me know :mad:

Bascially at the moment I have the yellow plastic backplate that the DFI came with, but this is gonna go when i sell the DFI. So i am now gonna have to check whether the mobo I get has a backplate grrrr. Knowing my luck they don't (its the 650 board I am after) and I havn't got a backplate from anything else. Just great.

WJA96 · 11 Mar 2007 at 20:22

AFK_Matrix said:
Well that is very poor and has really annoyed me know

Bascially at the moment I have the yellow plastic backplate that the DFI came with, but this is gonna go when i sell the DFI. So i am now gonna have to check whether the mobo I get has a backplate grrrr. Knowing my luck they don't (its the 650 board I am after) and I havn't got a backplate from anything else. Just great.

I had the same problem with my EK block bending the motherboard if I tightened it down hard enough to give me respectable temperatures. I bought a Thermalright SI-120 Socket 775 conversion kit and used the backplate from that. £5 delivered for the kit. If you do get the kit I think you will agree that anyone designing these fittings should be made to study it. It sits off the bottom of the board with a bit of foam and the spring tensions are designed so that you screw the 4 screws home fully to get the correct tension. No messing, just screw it down evenly. I have suggested to EK that they copy/licence the mounting design as it's just so much better than their current mounting system.

Street · 11 Mar 2007 at 22:36

Hmm, didn't know about the bending issue...

Is it a major thing? Am fitting my Fuzion next weekend so have a week to do something about it if it it. Think I've got an old backplate from some sort of heatsink somewhere.. Might be able to bodge that!

w3bbo · 12 Mar 2007 at 07:42

You don't need a backplate. I don't use one and my motherboard is fine - no warping. Most waterblocks dont come with a backplate, its only if you are using excessive force then the motherboard may warp. The nuts on the d-tek should only be screwed down finger tight - its not the amount of pressure thats important its the equality of the pressure, thats what will give you a good mount not HE-Man strength.

WJA96 · 12 Mar 2007 at 09:07

w3bbo said:
You don't need a backplate.

No, you don't, but the chances of damaging the motherboard are massively reduced if you do use one.

w3bbo said:
I don't use one and my motherboard is fine - no warping.

Yes, but your argument is just because I didn't mess it up - I'm going to deny you extra safety against destroying your motherboard - is less than charitable.

w3bbo said:
Most waterblocks dont come with a backplate, its only if you are using excessive force then the motherboard may warp. The nuts on the d-tek should only be screwed down finger tight - its not the amount of pressure thats important its the equality of the pressure, thats what will give you a good mount not HE-Man strength.

Even finger-tight on my mother-board bends it, even turning two screws at once on opposite sides, half a turn at a time. So I bottled it and used a nice back-plate. Now I definitely have no bend in my motherboard and I have excellent contact between my processor and the block and in my opinion that is a good thing. Sometimes more is more.

w3bbo · 12 Mar 2007 at 11:37

I'm hardly denying people extra safety against destroying there motherboards, bit OTT perhaps?

. I was actually refering to goodshots comment that you need one. If one were definatley needed the manufacturer would have included it. Try flexing a pcb in the width the dtek uses yourself and see how much pressure it takes until it warps - then ask yourself do you really need that amount of pressure on your cpu?

Backplates are fine as an extra safety feature against bowing, I have used them myself (thermtake H-plate), I was just passing comment that I didn't NEED one in this case - sorry if it was misinterpreted as 'you shouldn't use one' . There are however very few manufacturers who provide them for waterblocks - dosn't that at least say something?

Drazic · 12 Mar 2007 at 12:25

AFK_Matrix said:
Oh i know about that block, I was just wondering if there is anything similar out there or comming soon that is around the same price and performance?

Nah, DD sucks and all the others are aluminum crap. EK's had lots of desgin and a tweak and cools the best and allows the higher clocks

A mobo back plate make huge differnce. To know it's perfectly seated use TAT and look at the temps on both cores, its best if there the same or 1c out. Then your block is in perfectly.

I'm gonna be using one for sure.

Why you think phase and LN2 have them..better moutning and perfect core cover as well as presure

WJA96 · 12 Mar 2007 at 12:41

I don't think you require one absolutely - I just like them because you have that little bit more leeway just in case you get a bit carried away.

I'm not sure what the manufacturers not supplying them indicates - I think it's more that it allows them to save a bit of money/reduce the cost of the product or maybe that they don't mind us taking the risk with our own motherboards? In either case - I simply think a properly engineered solution like the Thermalright bracket would be better.