Would I be foolish to attempt this myself?

The wheel nuts hold the wheel bearing together, of course it needs the correct torque!

Why do you say such ridiculous things?

Gotta be honest I have never seen a hub nut torqued up by a mechanic although they should. Most tighten until the hub wont quite rotate, then back off until it turns smoothly.
 
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Torque wrench isn't optional, it's one of the first things you should buy, if you dont have one in your toolbox, then you should stay home on the soda, if you need to ask why its needed, you should stay in bed!

Rubbish there are a bazillion jobs you can complete without a torque wrench.
 
Gotta be honest I have never seen a hub nut torqued up by a mechanic although they should. Most tighten until the hub wont quite rotate, then back off until it turns smoothly.

That only applies to hubs that have taper roller bearings that you have to avoid preloading too much (some rear hubs are like this, but mainly older cars).

Front wheel bearings (on a FWD car) normally have two races with a built in spacer that determines preload - you'd probably strip the threads on the CV before you got it tight enough to stop it rotating.
 
ay! always better to be safe than squished :p it's what random breezeblocks/bricks laying about come in handy for :)

I love the way H/S has changed the way we look at things.

Back in the day you put the wheel underneath not so you didn't get squished. Remember thin tyres.

It was so you could get a jack back under the car should it fall off.
 
Rubbish there are a bazillion jobs you can complete without a torque wrench.

Yeh and there a gazillion jobs that you can't complete without a torque wrench.

Head bolts and bearing caps are just about the only thing you NEED a torque wrench to do.

A prime example why the UK is littered with thousands of cowboy garages operated by monkey mechanics. :D

You don't need a screwdriver either, just use a scissor to tighten screws or hammer it in.
 
Head bolts and bearing caps are just about the only thing you NEED a torque wrench to do.

Of course. That's why people go to the effort of specifying torque values on other things. Cowboy.

As per the OP. A hub nut needs the correct torque.
 
My car has had several transmission/drivetrain type jobs done on it by a garage with very good reputation and in truth most of the large nuts and bolts were just done up f-tight with an air gun. Exception being the wheel nuts and maybe the flywheel (job was new clutch, flywheel and LSD fitted). Same for when I had a driveshaft boot replaced, which was driveshaft out of the hub etc. They'll have done literally hundreds of jobs the same way and not had problems.

While manufacturers specify torques for absolutely everything, in reality a lot of things just get done up tight and it's never an issue. In some cases it'll actually be hard to find the correct data for all the nuts and bolts, then there will actually be a range of torques which work for some fixings and the manufacturers setting will actually be picked to match other tooling on the same assembly process. Once you put lubricant anywhere near a fixing. that throws all the torques out too as it alters the friction component of the torque. Learned this through years of working in the car industry. And especially on chassis components the torques used in manufacture are pretty complex, combining torque and a follow-up angle which takes special tooling to achieve taking into account access etc.

Myself when I'm doing a job on the car like brakes etc I'll try as much as possible to stick to the specified torques, and wheels ALWAYS go on with a torque wrench.

On the other hand for the bike engines my brother works on, the torque wrench is kept busy on most of the internals - big ends, rod bolts, cam caps, rotors etc but not for external casings etc.
 
True, but the alternative is to do it properly.

Do you guess head bolts too?

No I use a torque wrench in sequence (like many engine internals) but they don't have 290 Nm on them! And the final stage is typically degrees not torque anyway to set the stretch bolts.

I agree there are some jobs you can't touch without a torque wrench, but a driveshaft isn't one of them.

Like Clarkey said, you just do CV stubs 'kin tight as few people carry a Torque wrench with that range.
 
Honda for example did a tsb on rear hub nuts with a different torque value of 180Nm

Also they did a tsb on spark plugs from 18 to 25Nm as spark plugs were coming loose on hard driven cars (9k rpm and no balancer shafts)

The OEM specify the values and not following them is just cutting corners. I guess the contrasting view here is the difference between a mechanic (works with cars) and engineer (designs cars).
 
Honda for example did a tsb on rear hub nuts with a different torque value of 180Nm

Also they did a tsb on spark plugs from 18 to 25Nm as spark plugs were coming loose on hard driven cars (9k rpm and no balancer shafts)

The OEM specify the values and not following them is just cutting corners. I guess the contrasting view here is the difference between a mechanic (works with cars) and engineer (designs cars).

Simon I completely get your point, and I have a torque wrench that does get used on many jobs but for others it is just for the very cautious.

Many people don't even know how to use a torque wrench properly and assume if they try to tighten something and it clicks right away it is already torqued (when actually it is friction holding it) and that the object being tightened actually needs to be moving until the wrench clicks. This is the main reason that tyre centres that use a rattle gun and then a torque wrench over tighten so many wheel nuts when they should back them off and then use the torque wrench.

Spark plugs are a tricky one as the crush washers can be incompletely crushed when the manufacturers torque is reached which can lead to them coming loose which is probably why Honda advised a different (higher) torque setting although if they are taper seat it may have been a case of mechanics being too cautious. Getting a taper seat plug out that hasn't been installed correctly is a nightmare. I have seen them break below the wrench Hex before they come out. If the insulator then breaks you are looking at a head off. 18-25nm is a heck of a range though.

As well as torque settings, NGK have tightening instructions for all plugs based on the status of the crush washer which is what I have always used which is finger tight to the washer then 180-240 degrees for new and 30 degrees for a used crush washer. I reckon that is better than badly using a torque wrench.
 
Bought some tools! And a Haynes manual. The Haynes makes it seem a lot more complicated than yYouTube lead me to believe lol. Will be attempting it though! Scary stuff.
 
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