Would you Lie on an application...

Mate just do it - There is nothing wrong with not putting things on which you do not feel are releveant to the position.

If it was lying about something you didnt have or didnt do then its another story, but I dont think there is anything wrong with what you are suggesting. Do what you need to do to support your family.
 
Castiel said:
Omitting information is not lying unless you then seek upon questioning to misrepresent the omission.

Due to the nature of my former job there are some things that I cannot state on an application form (as in specific job descriptions, etc) and as such I simply omit them and if asked I explain why it, although not what, was omitted.

I think the omission of qualifications not relative to the position is not an issue....although gaps in your employment record may be more difficult to justify.
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Man, It has nothing to do with Lying. Who said it's a must to say everything about yourself when applying for a job. HR experts have always advised applicants to provide only the information they think is relevant for the job they are applying for.

Providing half your qualification or half your past experience is very acceptable. It becomes a problem when you claim qualifications you don't have. Personaly i write my CV and qualification depending on the job i am applying for. If i feel one of my qualifications is not necessary or may work against me in the worst case then i completely ignore it.
And i have no apologies for that
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
it's a crime under the 2006 Fraud Act (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) and the maximum penalty is 10 years.
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So if you had a kid to feed and a mortgage to pay you wouldn't withhold information so that you could get a job to do that?

Get real your just being an arse.

What this guy wants to do is perfectly reasonable and sensible.
 
metbandit1 said:
So if you had a kid to feed and a mortgage to pay you wouldn't withhold information so that you could get a job to do that?

Get real your just being an arse.

What this guy wants to do is perfectly reasonable and sensible.
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Hey in my honest opinion I have no problem with what he's doing I'm just stating what the current law in this country says on the subject matter I don't necessarialy agree with it(tbh I don't agree with most of what our legal system states) but there it is.
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
it's a crime under the 2006 Fraud Act (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) and the maximum penalty is 10 years.
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No it is not....it is only a crime of you claim fraudulently to have qualifications you have not got, or provide specific evidence as to your competences that is fraudulent in nature. It doesn't include onitting non relevant qualofications or experience from your CV or Application.

For example...claiming to have a MD when in fact you were only a Nurse etc....it is only fraudulent if you do not have the required level of qualification or experience and you state otherwise....having more than the requirement and not fully stating it is not fraudulent as you still have the required level.

If it was fraudulent no to include every single aspect of your education and work history then CV's and Applications would be like novels.....
 
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Capn' $qu!ff said:
it's a crime under the 2006 Fraud Act (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) and the maximum penalty is 10 years.
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As above, tailoring a cv is nothing short of sensible. It's only fraudulent, and I lose that word loosely, if there is blatent misleading information. Info on a CV is selective. All info should only be submitted when expressly required, which isn't often.

Also, giant lol at your quote of 10 years. How relevant.
 
Well I did apply.

I completely ommitted my last job, included my qualifications and will just see what happens when it comes to an interview (if I even get that far)

I have actually applied to do a teaching course from September which is my main goal as the private market, especially in where I was skilled, is quieter and very much dead mans boots these days. Was going to do teaching when younger so retraining into a career where they always need teachers and with good(ish) pay, pension and holidays so I can see my son would be ideal. Thats if I even get accepted onto that :P
 
Castiel said:
No it is not....it is only a crime of you claim fraudulently to have qualifications you have not got, or provide specific evidence as to your competences that is fraudulent in nature. It doesn't include onitting non relevant qualofications or experience from your CV or Application.

For example...claiming to have a MD when in fact you were only a Nurse etc....it is only fraudulent if you do not have the required level of qualification or experience and you state otherwise....having more than the requirement and not fully stating it is not fraudulent as you still have the required level.

If it was fraudulent no to include every single aspect of your education and work history then CV's and Applications would be like novels.....
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From Part of the act:

"Fraud by failing to disclose information" is defined by Section 3 of the Act as a case where a person fails to disclose any information to a third party when they are under a legal duty to disclose such information.
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
From Part of the act:

"Fraud by failing to disclose information" is defined by Section 3 of the Act as a case where a person fails to disclose any information to a third party when they are under a legal duty to disclose such information.
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Surely you're only obligated to disclose information IF asked?
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
From Part of the act:

"Fraud by failing to disclose information" is defined by Section 3 of the Act as a case where a person fails to disclose any information to a third party when they are under a legal duty to disclose such information.
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It is disclosing relevant information where they have a LEGAL duty to do....omitting non-relevant job specific or personal information from an application or CV is not illegal....only the misrepresentation or invention of information that implies your abilities and/or qualofications are more than they are is illegal.

You are under no legal duty to disclose all information on a CV...only that relevant to the position being applied for, and that the proviso is that any omissions where questioned are not misrepresented.
 
Castiel said:
You are under no legal duty to disclose all information on a CV...only that relevant to the position being applied for, and that the proviso is that any omissions where questioned are not misrepresented.
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I'm under the impression that your Job History is relavent to any company you're applying to at the end of the day references will need to be followed up and gaps in your employment history will probably garner futher scrutiny from your potential employers.
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
I'm under the impression that your Job History is relavent to any company you're applying to at the end of the day references will need to be followed up and gaps in your employment history will probably garner futher scrutiny from your potential employers.
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However, you are under no legal obligation to divulge that information...you simply cannot misrepresent it as something it is not. There are very specific instances that is not the case, but these are related to SC and DV clearance and are treated separately.
 
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You've got to do what you've got to do!

I'd lie on an app to undersell myself to get a job. In fact, I have done it before. Similar to you, I was made redundant from a good job. I needed an income to support the mortage etc. So I had no choice but to just get a simple job to keep the money coming in. If I had 'told the truth' on the simple job app, there is no way I would have got the job as Im clearly overqualified and in the eyes of the employer, I have no long term commitment to them, Im just after the money!
 
Castiel said:
However, you are under no legal obligation to divulge that information...you simply cannot misrepresent it as something it is not. There are very specific instances that is not the case, but these are related to SC and DV clearance and are treated separately.
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If gaps in his employment history show he will be asked what he was upto during those times at the end of the day and tbh if he refuses to tell them it won't look good!
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
If gaps in his employment history show he will be asked what he was upto during those times at the end of the day and tbh if he refuses to tell them it won't look good!
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Indeed, However as long as he doesn't misrepresent them, then he is under no legal obligation to divulge them. The same with qualifications that are not specific to the job being applied for.
 
If it meant feeding my family and paying the mortgage, yes.

I'd say if you have been declined jobs then you are more than certainly overqualified, supermarkets are looking for "loyal" employees not ones that will leave at the shot of a gun.

Regarding the legality, they would never be able to proove in a court of law you didn't "forget" to include the said qualifications. Unlike if it was the other way around where you can't forget to not include a degree or something:D
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
From Part of the act:

"Fraud by failing to disclose information" is defined by Section 3 of the Act as a case where a person fails to disclose any information to a third party when they are under a legal duty to disclose such information.
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You may be right but isn't that for information such as a criminal record or telling lies about your driving license?
 
Have more than one C.V

1. A C.V for when you are applying for your skilled jobs
2. A C.V for when you are applying for the *mundane* jobs

This should help a little.
 
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