Writers

Soldato
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How many people on here write? And I mean write as in for a purpose so no sarky answers like "does this post count?", aside from that anything goes. From that guy's thread about writing a novel, a lot of people came in chippin that they'd written things over the years.

What I want to know is, why do you write? How do you do it? What do you with it when its finished? Have you had anything published? If so, how?

All these things I'm well interested in because I've been trying to get somewhere for ages but havent actually done more than send a few emails around and its doin my head in. Been looking for competitions and things but not found much. I think we should start a little thing goin here where we can help eachother out.

I'll go first, so far I've written an entire movie script that has a good idea in it (I think) which takes up about 15 pages and then 95 other pages of crap. Also written a couple of short stories that aren't finished, about 20 pages of poetry which are crap and also started what I hope to be an ongoing story about a guy in an office in the style of Three Men in a Boat.

So lets hear what you've done etc. also any decent books etc. that might help any of us (me) along the way. Cheers.
 
New forum subsection TBH!

Poetry's my favoured area. Sometimes crack out a short story or creative essay when I feel like it. I won't explain or try to explain what my material is about as I think poetry is entirely subjective, so different people will see different things. For example, I am of the opinion *waves engorged e-peen* that my edited material is worthy of publishing. All I need is quantity at the moment, as I'd rather have a medium sized portfolio, than a collection of only things which are to go into my first anthology.
Why do I write?
I can't explain to someone I don't know nor can I explain on a public forum. I have trouble explaining why I do it to myself. It normally just comes out.
Normally, I don't like to go for conclusions. I like to encourage the reader to think and to imagine. Sometimes I'll spend 10mins writing say, a 14 liner and spend anything from 10-35hours fussing over sometimes one or two words. Sometimes I have to 'edit' a few times. I can think of a few which didn't need editing to be honest.
I'd be happy to share but never, ever in GD. sorry :(

no thats fair enough, I respect that.

I have heard a lot of people say things along the lines of "I need to get this much done for a portfolio" etc. things that suggest a person is working towards but what is that? Say if you finished your portfolio tonight, you stood back and looked at it and knew that even if you were to spend another 10 years combing through every line, letter and comma, you couldn't make it much better, what would you do with it?

Thats to everyone readin this, not just Voltar.
 
This is what I refer to as 'social proof' - you need to prove that you are what you claim. If you tell people you are a writer, you need to give examples to demonstrate this fact. From here you can offer services to people on the basis of the idea that you are a writer

yeah I know what you're sayin but surely that is a by product of having the finished product you've been going for? Do you mean people like the ones you meet or the ones you're hoping it will be seen by if you can it some exposure? I suppose to an extent they're the same thing arent they.

But still though, are people hoping that they can get their work some exposure in the long run or are they satisfied with just having a nice clean portfolio sitting on their desks for when their friends come round?
 
Now you're getting into the murky world of marketing - which is not writing. You're talking about people seeing your portfolio but what situation might they get into whereby they're going to see it? In my experience, your profile as a person is more important than your skill as a writer - why should it be YOU that writes a specific article?


er I'm not really sure what you're askin or even referring to here.

What I'm tryin to say is, for everyone who considers themselves writers, who are currently in the process of writing somethin. When they are finished, and satisfied with it, will they put it on the mantlepiece and take the self satisfaction, or will they photocopy it 50 times and start sending their material to literary agents, magazines publishers etc. to try and get some recognition for their work?
 
Would honestly love it if a kind Mod considered making this into a new sub forum, as I don't personally feel comfortable talking about this in GD, and quite frankly there just doesn't seem to be a place for it in the Music+Lit forum either :(


I reckon thats a longshot, good idea though. Got my vote.

That was the kind of answer I was lookin for though, with regards to your finished portfolio I mean. What sort of realistic expectation do you have of yourself though?

I mean, do you have a point in your minds eye where that will happen? And you will try and gain recognition? Or is that on a par with what will happen when your 6 numbers come up?
 
I've had at least four seperate lecturers suggest that I get into some form of writing recently. Once university is out of the way, I'm going to start writing a novel as a hobby, which I would like to get published, but I really don't know how feasible that is. I've been told I have a talent for the English language, but I guess it still remains to be fully realised. As for the novel itself; I've been jotting down notes and ideas for the past year. I ran by the idea for the story to a few friends and even gave them a short section to read and I've only got positive feedback. We'll see how this pans out. ;)


That does sound good and encouraging. What degree course are you on? I wish my lecturers would say something like that but I do an engineering degree so they dont even know that there is an outside, the books the read have names like "The microscopic behaviour of fluids" and other such enticing titles.

As for your story idea, you know that I don't know what the idea is, so my advice is purely unobjective, but your friends will always tell you you have a good idea, and every book I've read about screenwriting and other forms, one of the first things they say is don't ever say that your friends/family/colleagues etc. have read it and they liked it.

Don't mean to be such a bonfire urinater but like, I said, I dont know what your idea is so for all I know you, you could have the next best thing, just dont run away with yourself because your mate said it was good. Sorry, again I dont mean to be harsh or anything.
 
I've been writing stories for a couple of years now - mainly short stories of 3K-14K words - but I've recently begun what I hope will eventually be a novel-length piece. I write simply because I enjoy it. It's great to throw ideas around with friends who are also amateur authors, and to bring ideas into fruition on the page. I've been an avid reader since I was young, and have always found it relaxing to lose myself in another world. Since taking up writing, I have discovered that the same is often true of the creative process - it can be very therapeutic. I also love getting feedback and knowing someone else has enjoyed reading my work.

As for how I write, I tend to first plan a lot, sometimes to distraction. But generally I'll have an idea, put an outline together for how I want the story/scene to go, then write it. The outline keeps me on track and means I have a "destination" for my writing - I know it's going somewhere - which helps me tremendously. Often my plan will be discussed with a friend of mine who also writes. I have perfectionist tendencies, so I'll usually self-edit as I go along - I can't just "freewrite" - and will often re-read paragraphs/sections/chapters several times during the process, making small adjustments as necessary, until they're in a state I'm happy with.

I write purely for pleasure and post my stuff up on a website called FictionPress, a site for amateur poets and authors to put their work on the 'net for others to read and review. It's a great site for people of all abilities, and there are a number of spectacularly good pieces on there. Have a look and see what you think - it's the best site of its kind, in my opinion. Be warned though; it's huge, and you'll often find work on the site that's really good but has very few readers/reviewers. My advice is to read a lot and review a lot - authors will often look back at the profiles of their reviewers (I know I do), and that way your own reader base slowly grows.

I think I'm pretty similar to you mate, a lot of my friends and just people I know look down on reading and just don't do it. "I dont read books" is a phrase you hear from people in the same way they'd say "I don't watch Hollyoaks", I think its stupid, you'd never hear anyone say they dont watch tv in that way yet they treat it like it is a type of tv or something that they're just not into. They are missing out on so much and just limiting themselves as a person.

Nearly everything I've written up until now has had to have a destination, a predefined arc that I'm constantly aspiring to. The only problem with that is, you end up trying to mould the story to that arc rather than just letting it wander as it comes. All the writing I've done recently has been so frustrating because you have an arc in conceptual, abstract form in your head, then when you try and write to it, it just sounds forced and loses the potential you thought it had. I started writing a piece simply from the thought of a watercooler last week and ended up writing about a guy in an office in a style akin to Three Men in a Boat by Jerome K. Jerome, a book I'd advice anyone to read as its awesome, I'll post what I've written so far (only about 2 pages) in a minute.

I will have a look at Fiction Press as it sounds interesting. I have been submitting my work on DeviantArt but the amount of people on there and the submissions compared to readers doesnt scale very well.
 
Here is what I have written so far on my Watercooler story:

The god damn water cooler didn’t have any god damn cups, damn. I looked around and began to panic when the only even vaguely suitable container in immediate sight was the bit where you put the staples in a stapler. I only went to the water cooler because I was bored and normally I don’t even bother drinking from it but the injustice of it all just seemed to get to me. I didn’t want to look like an idiot walking round the office without any obvious purpose so after returning to my desk and avoiding some awkward questions about a wet stapler I sat down to have a wrestle with my desk drawer.

The desk drawer sticks, let’s just leave it at that. I didn’t even need anything out of it, in fact I’m fairly sure it’s empty but getting frustrated with the drawer is infinitely more satisfying that getting frustrated with work because you know it will always come open in the end, that’s what it’s for after all. Anyway, I had a go and after a few choice swear words and sideways looks from my neighbours I had it open an inch. Admiring my handiwork and a squeeze of the trusty bicep I set to work again, pushing it back in only for it to get stuck in the exact place when pulled again.

I persevered for another 10 minutes gradually becoming louder in my grunting and swearing. With an almighty tug and a cry of “come on you b******!” I managed half way. By now the sideways glances had become glares and despite my displaying my trophy of a half open drawer containing 6 bent paper clips barely resembling a bracelet and a paper aeroplane which had flown its last disciplinary meeting they weren’t satisfied for some reason.

In hindsight I shouldn’t have lost my temper, it’s just a drawer, an inanimate object, incapable of causing anyone any harm. I looked upon my vanquished foe like old friends settling an arm wrestling wager, consoling the drawer on a battle well fought I put my heel on the draw and gave it a kick, testing the waters. My chair rolled backwards and the woman behind me kicked up a huge fuss, making a scapegoat out of me because she had careless dropped some papers and jumped on the opportunity to blame an unlucky guy stumbling onto the scene. Ignoring something about a broken toe and a law suit I went back to the drawer, lifted and pushed. It slid begrudgingly back into place, preparing its battle plan for tomorrow.

I asked my neighbour if he had a stapler and went to get a drink.

The clock began its crawl towards the hour mark, I watched it for a while, I became engrossed in the way you could see the minute hand move ever so slightly as the second hand relentlessly lapped it. 12pm, the oasis, the blessed hour in the day which, at 9am seems like next Christmas. I’m not a religious man but I’m not ashamed to say I routinely make deals with God about bringing my lunch hour quicker, then when that doesn’t work, with the devil.

As I watched the minute hand click into place over the hour hand, I reneged on all my deals made with all my deities as I raced for the door and with the grace of a sea turtle sashaying over to his lover smashed the office screen door open and jammed my foot in the lift. I don’t know what it is about the hour between 12 and 1pm compared to the 3 preceding and the 4 pursuing, but it seems God only enjoys speeding up time when you don’t want him to. By the time I’d gotten down 4 floors in a lift, it was already 10 past, damn. I accused the receptionist, then the janitor and then the guy who drops off photocopier paper of changing the clock just to ruin my lunch hour, they all protested innocence, I swore to the lot of them that I would find out who is responsible. I was about to trounce their stolid reluctance to admitting their bare faced guilt with stone cold, unavoidable logic but the horrific discovery that whoever had indeed masterminded this sabotage, had also managed to change my watch tipped me over the edge. I deemed that even my espionage inquiries weren’t worth wasting my lunch hour. I fled for the door, if the newsagents has any more than 4 people in the queue before I can get my lunch, I wouldn’t have time for my usual haggle with Sanjay.

I demonstrated to Sanjay that the price of 6 Mars bars and 2 cans of Apple Tango had risen on average by 2.8p per month for the past 3 months. Using a full run down on the prices I had paid in the afore stated timeframe, I proved beyond on any shadow of doubt that his shop would be on the downturn before Christmas. By the time I had bartered a space pencil and 6 cola bottles for the 7.4p difference in price since March, a rather large and irritable queue had formed behind me, I told Sanjay I obviously wasn’t the only one to notice the steep increase in price and if he would like to keep his loyal customer base, he should rethink the latest price-list revision. As I ambled out the shop, I heard profuse apologies mingled with stiff upper lipped observations about the service and wondered why I hadn’t been offered an apology about the prices.

I wandered along the pavement wondering why the office had to be situated in such a dank part of town, why the building couldn’t be along a lovely stretch of river where the swans glided along gracefully and the ducks trundled behind jealously, or opposite some meadows promising warm soft pews that one could spend hours revelling in the contrast of industry and nature. Instead of these havens of natural beauty, opposite our office block was in fact, an identical office block. Protruding equally as high and exactly as ugly into the overcast sky, one could easily forget which side of the road you were on. The only difference between the 2 were a bench with 3 of the 5 slats missing or broken, and a wire bin that only ever seemed to be full of newspaper and cider bottles. One night a friend and I, went down and moved the bench and bin to the opposite side to see whether people would indeed be confused. However, in the middle of my devious scam I realized I had glazed over the tiny fact that the very people I was trying to con, weren’t actually people at all. They are machines, they enter, “pop-out”, re-enter and go home everyday within a 60 second timeframe, they don’t look around when they come out, do not take a second to relish the end of the day, take in a deep breath of air that hasn’t be re-circulated constantly through the conditioning system, they are already catching up on paperwork by the time they have revolved around the glass door. Indeed, the only poor soul human enough to fall for the trickery was the local homeless man who chose the door well exactly opposite his usual to vomit into around early afternoon.

I hope you like it, I've enjoyed writing it and its the first time in a long while I've enjoyed writing anything so much. It doesn't have a direction, it isnt going anywhere, I'm just writing it as and when I feel as and how I feel.

I came across a website called podiobooks.com recently and found you can get free audio books in podcast form but more importantly you can record and submit your own works and get paid for it to, without giving up any copyright or anything like that. My dad is blind and he listens to loads of audio books so I've been around them all my life and I've been thinking about maybe serialising this on there. I already recorded all that last night and it was loads more fun than I thought it would be, only had one go at it and it didn't sound that bad either. You can get free software and things to do it really easy.
 
All this talk of writing recently has encouraged me to dig out all my notes, maps and scribbles. I've sort of ignored it for a while now, over a year, so it's about time I got back into things, and all the recent threads have spurred me on and helped me remember how much fun it is doing something creative.

Now I'm sitting at a desk covered in paper trying to categorize everything and get it onto the computer. It really makes me wish I didn't write like a drunken spider, or have a habit of scribbling stuff on notes, or the backs of envelopes or on bits of paper with completely unrelated stuff on. :(

Fun, fun, fun!

glad you're inspired to start up again. Its better to have a note scribbled on the back of an evelope then not written down at all. I always think "na I'll be able to remember that" and never do so I always write things down now. I have a little notepad I take everywhere with me so I can always get something down.
 
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