ok i took his 2 year old card back to a national pc shop and swapped it for a brand new x-fi gamer. bit cheeky i know.
still no joy, not even reconising the card.
here's what i've tried
-updated the bios
-downgraded the bios
-non creative drivers
-reservering pci slots
-fresh windows install
-nforce4 chipset drivers
-different pci slots
last thing left to try is get the original chipsegt drivers from the disk that came with the mobo. still need to get that off my mate, after that i'm giving up and he's gonna have to be stuck with on board sound.
if anyone has any suggestion, im willing to try it?