X1600XT

fornowagain · 14 Apr 2006 at 21:49

locutus12 said:
And you cant blame him for not knowing, those that dont know what to buy come to shops like OCUK and small businesses like mine on Trust and Faith, 2 things that seem to get lost to big companys in the persuit of higher profits (i.e. pushing out more stock). They Trust that the company will advise them in the best possible way, and they have faith in the company and its advice.

What they supposed to do, stop each order and ask if they're sure its the best product? Don't be daft. Off couse you can blame him for not knowing, buy a card without research, caveat emptor.

locutus12 · 14 Apr 2006 at 22:03

fornowagain said:
What they supposed to do, stop each order and ask if they're sure its the best product? Don't be daft. Off couse you can blame him for not knowing, buy a card without research, caveat emptor.

the only people that can be blamed 100% are the companys that market this crap. and im talking about those that go into PC shops directly, if he bought it online and didnt research it then that very much is his fault, if he went into the store and they sold him it as the best card for him... not his fault in my opinion.

easyrider said:
When buying new hardware it doesn't take a lot to search around the internet and find out what cards are the best in any given price range.

There are forums hardware review sites,A whole plethora of info at ones fingertips.

Its his own fault he bought the thing not anyone elses.

not everyone would think to search the net, again i blame the marketing hype personally. you need only look at the fools who buy 512mb chaintech 6200 AGP`s and other such crap to see prime examples of this.

fornowagain · 14 Apr 2006 at 22:32

locutus12 said:
if he went into the store and they sold him it as the best card for him... not his fault in my opinion.

Having owned a successful high-street electrical retail outlet. The only time i'd try to talk a punter out of a sale is to bump um up to next most expensive product. I'm in business to make money, not hold their hand. You stock a product and punter wants to buy it, I'm going to talk him out of buying and leave it sitting on the shelf, yeah right. Good luck with the trust and faith approach, tried it, didn't pay the rent. In my experience customers are only faithful if the price is right.

Gibbo · 14 Apr 2006 at 22:44

fornowagain said:
Having owned a successful high-street electrical retail outlet. The only time i'd try to talk a punter out of a sale is to bump um up to next most expensive product. I'm in business to make money, not hold their hand. You stock a product and punter wants to buy it, I'm going to talk him out of buying and leave it sitting on the shelf, yeah right. Good luck with the trust and faith approach, tried it, didn't pay the rent. In my experience customers are only faithful if the price is right.

True to an extent but for us its a little different, OcUK gets like 30,000 visitors per day checking out its site so when customers ask for advice we tell them what too avoid even if we do sell it and will always advice the better product irrelevant of how much money OcUK makes on it or how desperate were to get rid as the website does a very good job of selling anything.

Yet I will openly tell people to avoid products such as Q-TEC power supplies, X1300/X1600 graphics cards etc. because even though we sell those lines you can get superior products for similar money from this store as well.

locutus12 · 14 Apr 2006 at 22:46

fornowagain said:
Having owned a successful high-street electrical retail outlet. The only time i'd try to talk a punter out of a sale is to bump um up to next most expensive product. I'm in business to make money, not hold their hand. You stock a product and punter wants to buy it, I'm going to talk him out of buying and leave it sitting on the shelf, yeah right. Good luck with the trust and faith approach, tried it, didn't pay the rent. In my experience customers are only faithful if the price is right.

i never said talk him out of making a purchase, read threads fully. i said advise him on the best product for him, if thats a few more £££ then all the better for you, youl get a happy customer, they get a good quality service and they dont get mauled by a business man with no ethical or moral standards unless it involves lining his own pockets.

Gibbo said:
True to an extent but for us its a little different, OcUK gets like 30,000 visitors per day checking out its site so when customers ask for advice we tell them what too avoid even if we do sell it and will always advice the better product irrelevant of how much money OcUK makes on it or how desperate were to get rid as the website does a very good job of selling anything.

Yet I will openly tell people to avoid products such as Q-TEC power supplies, X1300/X1600 graphics cards etc. because even though we sell those lines you can get superior products for similar money from this store as well.

and OCUK customers do appreciate it, hence they come back in droves!

Cyber-Mav · 14 Apr 2006 at 22:54

this is a case of shoot first and ask questions later.

the OP should have posted first about which card he would have been better with.

either way the x1600 has its advantages with sm3.0 support and AVIVO i think is on that card to.

i ordered a x1900xt over a 7900gt but i read up the posts on this forum and asked questions myself before i made the decision.

locutus12 · 14 Apr 2006 at 22:59

Cyber-Mav said:
this is a case of shoot first and ask questions later.

i have to say, initially i thought he was buying the card, not that hed already bought it...

fornowagain · 14 Apr 2006 at 22:59

locutus12 said:
i never said talk him out of making a purchase, read threads fully. i said advise him on the best product for him, if thats a few more £££ then all the better for you, youl get a happy customer, they get a good quality service and they dont get mauled by a business man with no ethical or moral standards unless it involves lining his own pockets.

Yeah of course you do, what utter rubbish. 15 units sitting on the shelf, you either sell them or loose money. Nothing immoral about selling a product that does what the customer wants it to do. Not everyone needs the fastest or best in your opinion. Times I've not stocked a product because i've know it was a doorstop and been inundated with requests. I did read your thread thank you very much, just split my sides laughing at the nievity. Kudos on the holier than thou. Is it a registered charity?

Explicit · 14 Apr 2006 at 23:15

Cyber-Mav said:
this is a case of shoot first and ask questions later.

the OP should have posted first about which card he would have been better with.

It's not the OP who bought the card, it's The Deuce. OP is just asking whether it's good or not (what Deuce should have done). Deuce look what you've done to this thread

squiffy · 14 Apr 2006 at 23:40

Did the bloke ask for advice? Or just bought any old card then moan afterwards? It's not retailers job to be physic and predict that card is insufficient for the users demands. You can't expect any shop to hold orders then email them "sorry this card is crap, buy a X1900XT instead" as I think be royally PO and probably contact trading standards because refusing the sale/forcing extra sales out of you.

I've been to Stoke branch, not the sort of place where you can ask for advice, too busy and basically buy your things, pay and go. If you want to spend 30 minutes talking to a shop owner visit a small local computer shop. But you're likely to get biased advice, basically trying to sell off old stock.

You should do some research before a purchase anyway, you only have yourself to blame.

Frippy · 15 Apr 2006 at 01:09

By all accounts this card is far from useless. It has pixel shader 3 support and from the reviews I have read it seems to play most things quite well. The 7600GT has a 128 bit bus and people rave over that card, I'd love to get one of these and actually make my own mind up as to it's gaming capeabilities.

lemonkettaz · 15 Apr 2006 at 01:13

I wouldnt say its great.

I also wouldnt say its useless either. But i normally check reviews before i buy any hardware

The Deuce · 15 Apr 2006 at 17:13

Explicit said:
It's not the OP who bought the card, it's The Deuce. OP is just asking whether it's good or not (what Deuce should have done). Deuce look what you've done to this thread

wow! look what happens when a bit of irony is used...lol.

i did check up on the cards guys and tbh i'm happy with the purchase, not that is has to do a lot as i mainly only play TW06 anyway

Foehammer2003 · 25 Apr 2006 at 00:40

i love my X1600XT

Gashman · 25 Apr 2006 at 01:02

i had one, never gave me any problems, drivers are a bit iffy mind, they don't seem to extract the cards full potential, played things pretty well as long as not my monitors native resolution with AA or AF switched on, but then my 7600GT can't handle it either. why im gonna buy another and SLI them, people always say SLI is only useful with large resolutions, wonder how crossfired X1600XT would have performed in comparison to SLI'ed 7600GTs. only issue i have with X1600 is the hardware seems to be there, but ATI doesn't seem to be able to get out some drivers that fully use it, like a racing car thats fast as hell, but they stick a rubbish driver in it, waste of perfectly good car

ashmanq · 25 Apr 2006 at 09:36

I was just wondering is the sapphire x1800xt 256MB cars good? i just bought it from OcUk and i wont return it if it isnt i was just wandering

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The Deuce · 25 Apr 2006 at 20:01

had it in a few days now, and got to say i'm quite happy with it.

Gibbo · 25 Apr 2006 at 21:03

ashmanq said:
I was just wondering is the sapphire x1800xt 256MB cars good? i just bought it from OcUk and i wont return it if it isnt i was just wandering .

Thats a stupidly fast card yes.

Darkwave · 25 Apr 2006 at 21:08

Gibbo said:
Thats a stupidly fast card yes.

*Confirms and approves of this message.*

man_from_uncle · 25 Apr 2006 at 22:03

I do love the world when business and moral duty run head long into each other. Sure it was legally the original posters fault and Gibbo has been generous to help him out, but legalities do not a right decision make (though that does not detract from the counter-financial decision that Gibbo has prima facie made). The original poster is probably one of the VAST VAST VAST majority of people who know bugger all about computer components and was lured in, quite deliberately to buy a card that punches well below its price range. He wasn't lured by OcUk though, he was lured by the same people who deliberately added an extra 256mb (or even 384mb if you stack it up to a vanilla 6800) to a crap card to make it sell better.

We live in a world dominated by some fairly uncaring and cynical people and I am proud to see my preferred retailer (and a successful one besides), even with reluctance, help the victim out. Cos lets face it, it's not his fault he fell for a cold hard marketing exercise; if it was then we'd have to accept all levels of con-artistry as ultimately the fault of the victim. And unless you are Nietzsche, I doubt anyone would be prepared to be that much of a ****DELETED**** , ACCOUNT SUSPENDED FOR 48 HOURS DUE TO EXTREME SWEARING , READ THE FAQ.