They are indeed a decent buy but if he's not going to overclock, I'd just go for one of the normal x2s, as an Opty 170-185 will probably cost a fair bit more.Dwbreeze1982 said:i dont no what optys are like , they are supposed to be good quality chips as they are made for servers not normal desktops but its ure cool , they are both gonna be better than a 3200