X370/470/570 PCIe 4.0 Help me understand.

The BIOS flashback feature does not require a CPU or memory to be installed.
  • You just need the PSU connected to the motherboard and the power button on the PSU and at the wall switched on.
  • Insert a correctly prepared USB memory stick in the correct USB port and press and hold the BIOS button for 3 seconds until it starts to blink (then release the button).
  • When the BIOS button stops blinking it's done (does take a good few minutes to complete).
FULL instructions here: https://www.asus.com/us/support/faq/1013998
 
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Excellent, thank you. Now I just have to show restraint and wait for a few reviews before throwing cash at the first buy now link that appears in a couple of weeks.
 
The Old School Gamer said:
I disagree.

Many website have done PCIE scaling tests with various games tested and drawn the same conclusion.
The gains between generations is marginal, FACT!

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/pci_express_scaling_game_performance_analysis_review,17.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_PCI_Express_Scaling/25.html
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Latest test is here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_PCI-Express_Scaling/

While some games have only inside error margins difference, in some there's difference showing anything but x16 v3.0 starting to cause limit.
With more powerful GPUs coming in year and new graphics tricks coming demand for bandwidth will only grow.
Or actually it isn't about continuous bandwidth, but ability to send instructions and data to GPU in as short time taking burst as possible.

It's mass storage where PCIe v4.0 is completely meaningless for most users.
Because there are only insignifant to small differences between SATA and NVMe/PCIe for example in gaming.

And I think red colour was kinda reserved for moderators...
 
the new ryzens are to have better memory support, will that be on just the new boards or on the b450/x470 as well.

or is the memory support just to do with the processor and nothing to do with the motherboards.
 
It's so hard to say until people start testing the older boards.

The memory controller is on the CPU, but I would think with the X570 mobo's being 8-layer and built with higher quality signalling in mind that they should OC higher on memory than older B450/X470/X370 mobo's.
 
One aspect I would like to also measure is the noise. All the X570 have these tiny fans that used to exist in very old motherboards. With their small radius they have an extremely high annoyance potential.

Naïve question but do we expect the fan to stay off as long as we don’t use pcie 4. Would using a ryzen 3000 on a X470 without a fan be a problem in terms of temperature (even with a good cpu cooler) ?
 
The X570 15w chipset rating is probably directly linked to the speed of I/O operations across the board.
So technically the new 5Gb/sec M.2 SSDs in a RAID configuration with a couple of Gen4 graphics card in SLI would be the most demanding.

The B450/X470/X370 are going to be stuck at running at PCIE Gen3, so it should be all be within spec.
 
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I'd agree with above. I'd imagine that the heat generation (and consequently cooling required) will scale with the demand placed on the chipset at the time.

These size of fans have been around for a long time in laptops, and they last for a long time there, and unless they are getting hammered with heat, they run fairly quiet.
 
I see, thank you for the answers. You're right they might be not noisy at all, I guess my opinion is tainted by the memory I have of the motherboards back then when they all had a small fan which would make this annoying high pitched noise.
I am still waiting for the benchmarks to see whether I go for x570 or x470/b550, not planning to SLI gpus or PCIe 4.0 in the near future, so the second option seems to make more sense to me for now.
 
I'll be looking to build an itx build and had a look x470 mobos on eBay and they are £200+. Then had a look at B450 boards and they're way cheaper. What's so special about the X series?

End goal is for emulating Cemu and Yuzu and lots of video editing.
 
benparker said:
I'll be looking to build an itx build and had a look x470 mobos on eBay and they are £200+. Then had a look at B450 boards and they're way cheaper. What's so special about the X series?

End goal is for emulating Cemu and Yuzu and lots of video editing.
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Wii U Emulator , always looking to see whats new in each update :)

For a Start, All boards on E-Bay are over price, only ones I seen go on Bidding are not working, Even boards that do work used & missing items go for mad sums near the price of a new motherboard,
like this one I linked to here
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ocket-am4-mini-itx-motherboard-mb-57h-gi.html
X470 range Got More Features, more USBs maybe & SATA Ports ,things like that
B450 boards are fine, I have a ITX B450, can pick up a ryzen 1700 8 core for like £140 new
& new CPUs July 7th
 
benparker said:
I'll be looking to build an itx build and had a look x470 mobos on eBay and they are £200+. Then had a look at B450 boards and they're way cheaper. What's so special about the X series?
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X being more expensive than B, is some chipset PCIe lanes, SATA and USB ports less.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/socket_am4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM4#Chipsets
Not likely to make much difference especially in mini-ITX board, with already cut down connectivity because of little space.

As for CPU VRM mini-ITX boads have lot more choise than microATX mobos.

With 6x IR3555 this actually has one of the better Vcore VRMs of current AM4 mobos.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-mini-itx-motherboard-mb-33w-ms.html
With 360A max current it would be certainly perfect for some overclocking of 12 core Zen2 and shouldn't have any problems with 16 core at stock
You would just have get BIOS flashed.

Though Vsoc VRM without heatsink might not be that hot for integrated GPUs of APUs.
Then again with 2x IR3555 it should run at very low heat output normally...
 
There is the: ASUS ROG STRIX B450 I-Gaming

INFO: https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B450-I-GAMING/overview/
REVIEW: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_rog_strix_b450_i_gaming_review,1.html
REVIEW: https://www.kitguru.net/components/...s-rog-strix-b450-i-gaming-motherboard-review/

Has a BIOS update (2301) for Ryzen 3xxx compatibility.
If you send OCUK a message when ordering I think they are happy to update it for you.

The 6x1 VRM / IR3553M 40A (240A) is not as strong as the MSI board EsaT mentions, but it will be fine for running the CPU at stock speeds. (it might start to get a bit toasty OCing though).

' USB-C female to USB3 male adapter's ' are available for a few quid.

 
The Old School Gamer said:
There is the: ASUS ROG STRIX B450 I-Gaming

INFO: https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B450-I-GAMING/overview/
REVIEW: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_rog_strix_b450_i_gaming_review,1.html
REVIEW: https://www.kitguru.net/components/...s-rog-strix-b450-i-gaming-motherboard-review/

Has a BIOS update (2301) for Ryzen 3xxx compatibility.
If you send OCUK a message when ordering I think they are happy to update it for you.

The 6x1 VRM / IR3553M 40A (240A) is not as strong as the MSI board EsaT mentions, but it will be fine for running the CPU at stock speeds. (it might start to get a bit toasty OCing though).

' USB-C female to USB3 male adapter's ' are available for a few quid.
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They said NO when i asked about updating the bios so im looking to buy else where or getting a X570
 
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