X99 Linux Photography workstation help

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Hi all, it must be ten plus years since I last asked for help in these forums, well the rig I built then has finally expired and as things have changed so much over the years would be grateful for any help for my new rig.

I basically need a PC that will process raw images quickly and then to give final tweaks to the shots. I may also try photo stacking and possibly editing a little video shot with my DSLR. It will also be used for all the usual browsing, office duties that most PC's are asked to do.

So far my ideas for the build are as follows:-

CPU Intel 5820k or 5930k - is the 5930 worth the extra for my use?
Which air cooler would be recommended.

Memory G.Skill Ripjaws 4 32GB 2400mhz if compatible

Motherboard Asus x99 delux or x99 s , or possibly Gigabyte X99-Gaming 5P really unsure which of these would be the best for me, any other suggestions.

Graphics card, I have no idea here on what would be best, was thinking about single NVidia 960 or 970, would that suffice or would I need more or is it overkill for my needs.

PSU must be a quality item as everything else depends on it, was thinking Super flower 850w, would that suffice?


Storage would be via a couple of 3tb HD's

would also need an optical drive/writer.

Case, I still have my Lian Li V1000, about 12 years old, needs a clean but my concern is that there is only room for one 120mm fan at the front and 1 120mm fan at the rear, would this be sufficient for an air cooled rig? I may also need more/new motherboard risers, some usb 3 ports for the front of the case, would it just be easier/more suitable to buy a new case and be done with it, I like a simple case that is also reasonably quiet.

Apologies for the long post but I rewally am struggling with this, there are just too many possibilities for me to sort out....I had a heart attack that has left me with very poor short term memory....makes comparing components very tricky!

Any thoughts/suggestions to help would be gratefully received.

Adrian
 
Hi.

Motherboards,

I like Gigabyte boards, the X99 Gaming has great onboard audio via Creative Core 3D.


CPU,

The 5930K is 100Mhz faster than the 5820K and has more PCIE lanes so if you want a multi gpu setup it is better for that.


GFX cards,

A single 970 will do and even allow you to play all triple A titles well.


PSU,

Depends how many GFX cards you want.

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YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel 5820K 3.30GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75820K) £319.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (TPKD432GM2400HC16QC01) £239.99
1 x Gigabyte X99-Gaming 5P Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £229.99
1 x Asus GeForce GTX 960 DirectCU2 OC Strix 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £169.99
1 x Antec P100 Mid Tower Case & HCG-620M 620W 80+ Bronze Modular PSU Bundle £120.91
1 x Samsung 250GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E250B/EU) £79.99
1 x Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler £29.99
1 x LG 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM GH24NSC0.AUAA10B £13.99
Total : £1,218.35 (includes shipping : £11.25 Ex.VAT).



Thats an example of a good spec.

The case has sound dampening material and fans with speed controllers.

The PSU is modular and powerful enough for a 970 or 980 or 290X along with X99.

The ASUS Strix runs passive at low load and there are some passive cooled GTX750ti cards.

Added aSSD as that is a must if you do not have one and you can add HDDs as you need them.
 
I've assumed you're not a gamer..
Budget?
'process raw images quickly' as batches or singly?
What programs do you use 'are they multi threaded', if not 6 core chips is a bit of overkill, may be better off with a faster 4core 8thread, the extra cores would only be needed if doing some serious video editing.
'Storage would be via a couple of 3tb HD's' - working storage or normal storage, consider SSD for OS and another SSD for working ie temp storge of the files you are working on.
Are you using multiple monitors (model etc)?
How does your camera connect or do you download off the sd card?
'Memory G.Skill Ripjaws 4 32GB' - 32Gb kit or 4x32?
 
As above, if not doing batch processing don't bother with X99, an i5 or i7 quad core will be plenty fast. Also consider whether you'll use 32 GB of RAM or if 16 will be fine.

What were you using before it died? Chances are even a modern £500 PC will be substantially faster. Seriously, ten years ago the fastest CPUs were Athlon 64 dual cores doing about 2 GFLOPS, today a £56 Pentium can do over 100 GFLOPS. So I'd encourage you to think about what you need.

On the GPU side, if it's just for 2D hardware acceleration I'd go for something like this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI Radeon R7 250 OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £65.99



Finally, power consumption has dropped considerably too!!! You'll only really need a 150 W PSU. In practice though 300 W units are more common.
 
Thanks for the replies so far, giving me much to think about, thanks. At present I process each image singly using UFRaw or occasionally Darktable. All the images need after that is slight sharpening, denoise if needed and the final tweaks to ensure the images is a true representation of the subject. Almost all my images are macro with a few landscapes thrown in for good measure.

My old rig was really old, a single core Athlon 3200 I think running on an Asus A8N delux with 2gb of memory so anything new is going to be quick.

Reason I was considering x99 was reduced heat and power consumption and if I do get more interested in the video side of things was thinking I would need nore computing power. The photo stacking would be batch processing too, would use something like Zerine? that I think is fine on Linux but think that takes quite a bit of memory etc. I was hoping that the x99 would last me for longer, as you can see I seldom update hardware, I just upgrade the operating system as time passes, has always worked for me till now.

Sorry for this rushed reply, have got to be at dentist in half an hour, will get back properly later, thanks for the replies so far, greatly appreciated.
 
For photo and video editing I would add an SSD to store current projects.

Also have you considered what software you're going to use, most of the market leaders are only available on Mac or Windows. It seems odd to me spend a lot on hardware and then restrict yourself to less then ideal software.

Lastly what monitor are you using, if it's the same vintage as your current PC I would look at upgrading it.
 
^ Nothing wrong with the software. Darktable is essentially an open source Adobe Lightroom. Agreed, a large SSD for all files would make for a very pleasant experience.

If it were me (or I were ordering for my father, whose business involves a lot of photography) I'd get something like this, plus a case and SSD of your choice.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-4790 3.60GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £259.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED316G2400HC11CDC01) £89.99
1 x MSI Radeon R7 250 OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £65.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £63.95
1 x BeQuiet System Power 7 350W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £32.99
Total : £522.50 (includes shipping : £8.00 Ex.VAT).



A quad core i7 will still be overkill for most day to day photo work, but will shave a few % off video time if you get into that. Saves nearly £260 over getting an X99 system. This money can be spent on a larger SSD, which will make a tangible difference.

The i7 is locked because it doesn't sound like you'll be overclocking. It comes with a cooler.

16 G of high-speed RAM. I'm fairly certain that will be enough if you're used to using 2 G! Motherboard has 4 slots if you want to increase that down the road.
 
Hi all, thanks to everyone for the suggestions and reccomendations for my new rig. I've decided to go with an x99 system as this is hopefully going to last me five plus years and who knows what camera and resolution I'll have by then. I also have thought about other uses and some 3d rendering might be a possiblity using the likes of Blender and I may even get back and do a little gaming in the winter months.

With all that in mind below is the system that I'm hoping to order today, if anything could be better for the money please feel free to tellme, I'll be most grateful.

Intel 5930K 3.50GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75930K)

G.Skill Ripjaws 4 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (F4-2400C15Q-32GRK)

Asus X99-Deluxe Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard

Asus GeForce GTX 970 DirectCU II OC Strix 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Seasonic X-Series 750w '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply

Samsung 256GB SSD 850 PRO SATA 6Gbps 3D NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-7KE256BW)

Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (WD2003FZEX) HDD x2

Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Case - White

Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler

Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Multicolor LED Strip - 2m

Do I need some thermal compound and if so what is recommended?

Thanks for any advice offered

Adrian
 
Thanks you Stulid, thats much appreciated, couple of questions though, I would need the option of WiFi so that I could place the computer anywhere in the house, with that motherboard what solution would you recommend? Are there any other differences from the Delux version?

The SSD, was thinking the Pro version as it's possibly more 'durable' as its going to be my first drive of this type, it will be my boot drive and for the OS mainly, main storage will be with the Raptors, will add more of these as needed.

The Seagate drives I'm not sure about, Seagate seems to get much poorer reviews than WD, reliability is what I need above all else, everything is backed up but it still need to be able to rely on it . If the seagate drives are OK I may go for 3tb drives, that would have been my first choice with the WD black ones but they are out of stock. Am I worrying about Seagate drivesreliability unneccessarly ?

Whats the difference between the Pure cooler and the Black version, the pure e is a tenner cheaper?

I had gone with the graphics card due to the reviews, the Strix seems to have very positive feedback and only a tenner more, is it a better card?

Sorry for all the questions, been out of the loop for so long its taking me a while to get back into what is what.

Also sorry for the slow replies, using a reborn netbook with tiny keyboard ondonly 512 of memory, very slow to say the least!
 
Unfortunately you will have to compare the two boards at ASUS website to see what the differences are.

You can add a WiFi card/USB device to that.

I have had Seagate drives and not had any issues with them, it you want to stay with WD then grab a Red which is a great drive.


The cooler is black and the fan looks a bit different compared to the Pure.

The Strix is a nice card, so is the G1 Windforce/gaming, MSI Gaming and the EVGA, you cant go wrong with either, the EVGA is £10 cheaper.
 
Thank you Stulid, a little more research then before I hit the buy button, you have been a great help, I'm really looking forward to getting this built and up and running, will be good to once again process my photos and have the the extra capacity to do much more in the future.

Thanks again Stulid, much apprecited.

Adrian
 
Avoid Seagate 3TB drives like the plague, they are VERY unreliable and prone to failure. A real misstep from Seagate. Definitely go for WD, especially since you will need the sort of reliability Seagate can't offer. The Blacks also have longer warranty so that's something to consider.

I would personally also avoid the Samsung SSDs as they had a failure with their 840 EVOs slowing down and took them months to get any sort of fix for them but afaik they still aren't fixed (I unfortunately have them). I would give their next generation a pass just to be safe (because these things are only apparent after some time passes and people tinker more with theirs), i.e. 850s. Look at the Intel SSDs if you care about reliability, they are a bit more expensive but it's worth the money. If not Intel then Crucial.
 
Nothing wrong with Samsung 850s and using the 840 as a reason why would be similar to me saying avoid Crucial as their M4 drives suffered from a bug which stopped them after X amount of hours.
 
Avoid Seagate 3TB drives like the plague, they are VERY unreliable and prone to failure. A real misstep from Seagate. Definitely go for WD, especially since you will need the sort of reliability Seagate can't offer. The Blacks also have longer warranty so that's something to consider.

I would personally also avoid the Samsung SSDs as they had a failure with their 840 EVOs slowing down and took them months to get any sort of fix for them but afaik they still aren't fixed (I unfortunately have them). I would give their next generation a pass just to be safe (because these things are only apparent after some time passes and people tinker more with theirs), i.e. 850s. Look at the Intel SSDs if you care about reliability, they are a bit more expensive but it's worth the money. If not Intel then Crucial.

Thank you Poneros, just seen that the WD Black 3TB are back in stock, will go with two of them, reliability for me is the most important consideration.

The SSD, I'm actually wondering if its worth me getting one, looking at all the precautions that are said to be needed I may just go with three WD Black 3TB Raptors.

If I do go with an SSD which Intel one would you recommend, it will only really be used as the boot drive and for the Linux OS.
 
No don't omit a SSD, once you've experienced the speed of access you'll be amazed, like Stulid says nothing wrong with the 850 EVO.

Thanks Neil, will go with the Samsung SSD as Stilid suggested then,many thanks, looks like I'm ready to order then, thanks again.

Adrian
 
would have thought an SSD for Boot and live projects would be a nice to have addition with tangible performance benefits.. Cheapest per GB of the SATA SSDs id go for...
 
Thanks Neil, will go with the Samsung SSD as Stilid suggested then,many thanks, looks like I'm ready to order then, thanks again.

Adrian

You're welcome Adrian, yes best you go with the 3TB WD hard drive for long term storage, if you haven't already ordered i would go for two 250GB 850's but you can always add another later.
 
Thanks Neil, just ordered one Samsung 250 SSD for now, will see how it goes, need to find the best way to set it up with Linux. Also ordered two 3TB Black WD drives for long term storage, doesn't take long to fill those though so more will be bought in the future if they prove reliable.

Ordered about 3pm, checked e mails at about 1630hrs and find order has been dispached, looks like I'm going to be having fun tomorrow! Great service from OCUK.
 
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