X99 or Z97

jakesnake said:
OP has expressed interest in 4k gaming in the future, shouldnt the X99 be considered for increased multi pcie bandwidth when these 4k gpus eventually come around? Its not just about the cpu, its the features of X99 and the potential of the socket overall. Stop making it about the extra 2 cores not being fully used (for now) and atleast point out pcie features which will drive the future gpus better. will this not increase gaming performance more than Z97 can?
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PCI-E tests/reviews have been done before, 8X 3.0 is the same as 16X 2.0, 16X 3.0 adds bout 1-2% extra over 8X 3.0.

It really is not the bottle neck. GPUs need to just get much much better.
 
Firstly jakesnake;27267866]OP has expressed interest in 4k gaming in the future, shouldnt the X99 be considered for increased multi pcie bandwidth when these 4k gpus eventually come around? Its not just about the cpu, its the features of X99 and the potential of the socket overall. Stop making it about the extra 2 cores not being fully used (for now) and atleast point out pcie features which will drive the future gpus better. will this not increase gaming performance more than Z97 can?

If you don't want to do X99 for the features and potential then that's fine, just buy an old X58 board and Xeon 5650. it will do what a 4790k can and you will save aload of cash.[/QUOTE]

Firstly 4k gaming isn't really possible at the moment, as stulid said technologies in GPUs have a lot of work to do before 4K gaming become the norm. So even if he gets 2 980s now in 2-3 years time, when 4k gaming becomes a viable option, he'll need a GPU upgrade anyway, as the tech would have been nurtured and developed towards running 4K.

He should go for what suits now. If going for 1440p grab a 970/980 and a 4790k. Games a are no where near being CPU limited. They are GPU limited. Take the 2500k, some 4 years old now but still a very sort after powerful CPU, capable of playing high graphics games with ease.

The Xeon doesn't have the core strength or speed the 4790k has, it'll fall flat on it face comparativly.
 
** No need for insults **

did I tell him to buy x2 980 and a 4k monitor now? im telling him to think about laying an X99 foundation now for the future so when these gpus do come out he will have a hexcore ddr4 and better pcie bandwidth for new gen sli, not a quadcore ddr3 and x8x8.

stop making things up from your own wee world.
 
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jakesnake said:
** No need for insults **

did I tell him to buy x2 980 and a 4k monitor now? im telling him to think about laying an X99 foundation now for the future so when these gpus do come out he will have a hexcore ddr4 and better pcie bandwidth for new gen sli, not a quadcore ddr3 and x8x8.

stop making things up from your own wee world.
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That's assuming in 2-3 years time X99 is still the go-to platform. It's a gamble. Skylake will be here before then, and that will be on a new platform altogether. Who's to say come the day when 4K is necessary, X99 will even be considered worthy? No one knows... yet.
 
I just don't understand how you can say that. 1 minute X99 is overkill the next will it be worthy in a couple of years?

are you saying Skylake boards are going to offer 8-core cpus as entry level instead of 6 and at a better price? is DDR5 memory around the corner with 3000Mhz as stock? PCI-E 4.0 x20 x20 ??

do you want more than what X99 offers for less money?

Tell me what is going to massively outperform X99 in the next few years? explain because im losing you.

1366 X58 (my current rig) is atleast 4.5 years old and with 1 of the latest GPUs still tears games to shreds at 1080p. Why would I want to go and buy another quadcore cpu and more ddr3 memory if im looking for a REAL stepup on what iv currently got. Just because it has a higher stock clock and runs a little cooler?? I don't think so.

4K is the natural successor so it has to be atleast Hexcore DDR4 PCIE 3.0 based for me, so I can feel it has the best chance of coping with multi next gen gpus. Cant see it going any further until that type of setup is completely mainstream and the norm. Im going to say Haswell-E will be powerful for (at the very least) another 5 years. Forget about incremental improvements that come with newer sockets, that are slowly released. That's how companys make their money out of people who have to have the latest thing. dualcore to quad to hex. ddr2 to ddr3 to ddr4. that's the real natural progression iv followed. You have to buy in somewhere you cant buy everything or wait forever.
 
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[jakesnake;27271112]** No need for insults **

did I tell him to buy x2 980 and a 4k monitor now? im telling him to think about laying an X99 foundation now for te so when these gpus do come out he will have a hexcore ddr4 and better pcie bandwidth for new gen sli, not a quadcore ddr3 and x8x8.

stop making things up from your own wee world.[/QUOTE]

Calm down a bit..

I know you didn't tell him that, I was using it as an example. We are both just trying to get across our points of view, no need for name calling.

You can say words like Quad core and Hexcore all you want but you don't have (and there isn't any proof that that is the case) its guesswork.

Take the i7 980X. Hex core, performs a lot better than all the other CPUs on its socket. But put it against a 4790k (gaming wise) and it will lag behind.

Bandwidth wise x8/x8 is only 1-2% down on x16/x16, in benchmarks. In games its not noticeable .

Theres very little difference between DDR3 and DDR4 and considering DDR4 is only on one P platform it will be a little while before its mature (so now isn't the best time to invest.


jakesnake said:
I just don't understand how you can say that. 1 minute X99 is overkill the next will it be worthy in a couple of years?

are you saying Skylake boards are going to offer 8-core cpus as entry level instead of 6 and at a better price? is DDR5 around the corner with 3000Mhz as stock? PCI-E 4.0 x20 x20 ??

do you want more than what X99 offers for less money?

Tell me what is going to massively outperform X99 in the next few years? explain because im losing you.

1366 X58 is atleast 4.5 years old and with 1 of the latest GPUs still tears games to shreds at 1080p. 4K is the natural successor so it has to be atleast Hexcore DDR4 PCIE 3.0 based. Cant see it going any further until its completely mainstream and the norm. Im going to say Haswell-E will be powerful for (at the very least) 5 years.
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Now that's just a bit childish.

Like I've said before. Games aren't CPU bound, so whether you have a 4790k or a 5820k you'll get the same performance from 4k even when next gen GPUs arise.
 
Im thinking this was to be expected over a 5 year period. im guessing the 5820k has similar increased ability over the 980X? I don't think an old overpriced cpu should be in the discussion, why is it anyway?

we are comparing 2 current similar priced cpu's and their potential ability to run a high end nextgen sli setup for 4k gaming.

is there any benchmarks with current high end gpus in triple sli, that show the performance of the cpu and how its coping to run them?
 
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