Xeon vs i7

areksnumbr1sxylady · 27 Jun 2012 at 20:55

I came across an intresting xeon chip (Intel Xeon E3-1230) for 180 quid, so similair to 3570K or 2500K in pricing... Yet it features 8 threads as 3770K and 2700K so is this an i7 for the price of an i5 pretty much??

Socket 1155

FallshirmjAEger · 27 Jun 2012 at 22:03

Looks that way. But why would you swap out your I7 @ 5ghz?

Helios1234 · 27 Jun 2012 at 22:17

The Xeon might not have unlocked multipliers.

Jokester · 27 Jun 2012 at 22:20

Helios1234 said:
The Xeon might not have unlocked multipliers.

Yup, only overclocking with BCLK so going to be stuck to under 4GHz I think.

R088ieS86 · 27 Jun 2012 at 22:22

Pretty sure the Xeons don't have the onboard graphics chip either.

Jokester · 27 Jun 2012 at 22:23

Some do, but this one doesn't.

Orcvader · 27 Jun 2012 at 22:25

Not to mention it's got no integrated graphics, so no QuickSync: http://media3.servethehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Xeon-E3-Series-Lineup.png

EDIT: Beaten to it

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areksnumbr1sxylady · 27 Jun 2012 at 23:08

you guys with 2500K and 3770K really use integrated graphics??

Most of you dont even have that option on motherboards..

areksnumbr1sxylady · 27 Jun 2012 at 23:11

FallshirmjAEger said:
Looks that way. But why would you swap out your I7 @ 5ghz?

100 pounds cheaper than I paid, I think... 100 extra pounds on GPU is a good thing while only loosing some perfrormance on overclock.. You dont really need to overclock 2700K, its just for show off and benchmarks really.... While fps between 560ti and 670 with 100 pounds difference would be drastic.

Or you could look at it otherwise... Would you rather have 2500K or 3570K than this Xeon???

Gav_881 · 27 Jun 2012 at 23:26

Has anyone got one in a gaming rig? would be nice to know if the performance stacks up with the I5's and so on.

Orcvader · 27 Jun 2012 at 23:33

Lazder said:
you guys with 2500K and 3770K really use integrated graphics?? Most of you dont even have that option on motherboards..

Most of us with Z68/Z77 boards do use it as part of Lucid Virtu: http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-gpu.html

Personally I would stick with the i5/i7s, you can't overclock the Xeons so you'll be losing performance instead.

In terms of performance on the same clock they should perform about the same, however, Xeons aren't really designed for gaming, they're designed for servers in which low power usage and low temps are important.

EDIT: There's also Virtu MVP which allows the inbuilt and discrete to work together, and solves screen tearing without the lag from vsync: http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-mvp.html

debs3759 · 28 Jun 2012 at 00:03

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/274/Intel_Core_i5_i5-2500K_vs_Intel_Xeon_E3-1230.html

The Xeon is lower stock speed and has a locked multiplier. TDP is lower, as is max operating temp. As others have mentioned, the Xeon doesn't have integrated GPU, if that's of use to you. The main benefit is the hyper threading.

areksnumbr1sxylady · 28 Jun 2012 at 00:24

Orcvader said:
Most of us with Z68/Z77 boards do use it as part of Lucid Virtu: http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-gpu.html

Personally I would stick with the i5/i7s, you can't overclock the Xeons so you'll be losing performance instead.

In terms of performance on the same clock they should perform about the same, however, Xeons aren't really designed for gaming, they're designed for servers in which low power usage and low temps are important.

EDIT: There's also Virtu MVP which allows the inbuilt and discrete to work together, and solves screen tearing without the lag from vsync: http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-mvp.html

Question is though, do you really need that overclock??

Orcvader · 28 Jun 2012 at 00:32

Depends on your use of the PC. If you're gaming, it gives better FPS, especially in CPU limited games. It will also ensure the CPU will not hold back the GPU. The extra CPU power can also be used to screen record the game if you wish without much of a performance hit.

It's also pretty handy when you encode videos quite a bit, for me it takes around 20 minutes to encode a half an hour video, but with the overclock it shortens it to about 12 minutes. So it all depends on your use.

But keep the 2700K. Sure it's £100 cheaper than the i7 variants, but who's to say you can get the full money back from selling your 2700K? Not to mention it won't last as long, the Xeon will become the system bottleneck quicker then the 2700K since it doesn't have the extra speed to allow it to last longer.

areksnumbr1sxylady · 28 Jun 2012 at 00:34

Orcvader said:
Depends on your use of the PC. If you're gaming, it gives better FPS, especially in CPU limited games. It will also ensure the CPU will not hold back the GPU. The extra CPU power can also be used to screen record the game if you wish without much of a performance hit.

It's also pretty handy when you encode videos quite a bit, for me it takes around 20 minutes to encode a half an hour video, but with the overclock it shortens it to about 12 minutes. So it all depends on your use.

But keep the 2700K. Sure it's £100 cheaper than the i7 variants, but who's to say you can get the full money back from selling your 2700K? Not to mention it won't last as long, the Xeon will become the system bottleneck quicker then the 2700K since it doesn't have the extra speed to allow it to last longer.

I am not saying to sell my 2700k for xeon, it would not be smart move... I am just suggesting that if you`re looking to buy 2500k or 3570K this Xeon could be a nice option

I saw some benchmarks and i3 2120 doesnt hold back GPU in BF3... It will be some time before This xeon clocked at 4.0ghz will start to bottle neck the GPU... Even today Q6600 feels comfortable running games and that is very old. I am pretty sure that even if you`re buying 3770K or 2700K extra 70 quid towards a graphics card will make a much bigger impact on FPS. I am a person who is obsessed with value for money, and I just decided to show that this CPU is also a nice option which is value for money.

Just a little food for brain you know.

Orcvader · 28 Jun 2012 at 00:45

But BF3 is GPU limited

Console port games on the other hand are more CPU limited. But fair enough, for that price, it's a pretty good chip. However...

Lazder said:
...This xeon clocked at 4.0ghz...

It can't be overclocked

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areksnumbr1sxylady · 28 Jun 2012 at 00:50

Orcvader said:
But BF3 is GPU limited Console port games on the other hand are more CPU limited. But fair enough, for that price, it's a pretty good chip. However...

It can't be overclocked .

Someone above said overclock with BCLK can be done.

Orcvader · 28 Jun 2012 at 01:37

Lazder said:
Someone above said overclock with BCLK can be done.

And that it's stuck under 4ghz. Which it is. LGA 1155 CPUs can't be overclocked via BLK since everything such as FSB, PCI-E, USB, etc is locked to a 100mhz base. Even upping this to 105mhz can potentially cause massive irrevesible instabilities.

s4mmy007 · 12 Jul 2012 at 02:39

keep the i7 5ghz, only processor out there that can beat it is ivry bridge at around 4.8ghz, which is virtually impossible for the average computer builder, and maybe a well overclocked sandybridge-e, but that involves BCLK overclock, which causes major unstability and decreases the cpu life

Dirtyganker · 12 Jul 2012 at 11:51

s4mmy007 said:
keep the i7 5ghz

Read what the OP said - he's not looking to get rid of it.

and maybe a well overclocked sandybridge-e

Maybe? ... well that all depends on what you're doing and if you have a requirement for more than 16 PCI-E lanes then Ivybridge isn't going to help you. The X79 platform has the potential to offer much more than Z77.

but that involves BCLK overclock

Not true - I've been running 4.8Ghz on my 3930k whilst leaving BCLK at 100. Even the 3820 can be partially overclocked using mulitplier alone so I don't know where you get this from as it's just wrong.

, which causes major unstability and decreases the cpu life

On Sandybridge it does cause instability, but not so on Sandybridge-E. I've also been experimenting with a very mild 4.25Ghz overclock using a BCLK at 125 and it's as stable as anything and runs very cool at 1.28v as it doesn't go over 50c under 100% load. Sandybridge-E is designed to be overclocked by BCLK ratios and Intel have even demonstrated this themselves.

I don't know where you get this information from, but you really should do a bit more homework. :rolleyes: