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Xeon x5650 to Ryzen 2700x worth it?

bakes0310 said:
How are you guys getting that much performance increase with RGB I find I can only manage about 2% increase in performance, do I need a better RGB controller?
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I got the NZXT Hue+ and only got roughly a 6% increase at first.. I had to add in 2 extra RGB strips to see anything noticeable!!
 
Wow, well after reading the replies and watching the benchmark video I'm going to hang on to what I have. I'm really disappointed at how much the tech has stagnated, my 8 year old cpu should be getting trounced in modern gaming.
 
As is true with many things its the software side thats lagging the hardware by quite a bit again.
Blame the games themselves, many still load up single or just a couple of cores with all the work which means many of your 16 hyperthreaded cores sit and twiddle there fingers. You can only speed up single threaded tasks so much.

Of course this will change, and has been. A well written engine or game will properly show up an old quad core cpu for what it is when faced with something like a 2700x, same as if your streaming your games where the extra resources are used.
 
Probably won't see any decent bumps (over curent stuff) til Ice Lake and Zen 2, after that Ocean Cove sounds like it will give a fairly big leap in IPC.
 
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Is Civ6 still only really ever utilizing 1-2 cores? If it is then you should see a decent reduction in loading time shifting to a 2700x AFAIK the clock for clock IPC difference is significant from Westmere to Ryzen 2.
 
I'm in the same boat with a 5650 @ 4Ghz. I've been itching to upgrade but think I will wait till either the new Ryzen 3 or see if an 8 core Intel comes out. I can still play the latest games maxed out at 60fps at least with the 1080Ti and it's fine for development and photoshop. USB 3 would be nice though as I don't trust add-in cards any more after my Startech USB 3 card caught fire out of the blue :/
 
HangTime said:
From a gaming perspective, personally I wouldn't ditch an overclocked 6c12t Intel just yet.
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It's looking like there's no real point just yet. I mean I've got mine running stable at 4.4ghz and have had it running at 4.8ghz at 1.5vcore, which I know is too high but temps stay under 70 degrees gaming and it's perfectly stable unless I do multiple bench tests on, then it does eventually blue screen lol.
 
Strife212 said:
I'm on an x58 Xeon too and it really is shocking how most current high end CPU's are only marginally better :|
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Hmm well if you look at like for like, and you really aught to be looking at the thread-ripper platform as being the modern version of your x58 then you will find that they are massively better.
Up to 16 cores/32 thread, quad channel ram, decent speeds and plenty of fancyness with motherboards and there vast pcie lane counts... i would argue the high end has moved on a lot since x58.

I have a 5820k and do not see anything worth going to at its level at the moment, but next year there may be 12 core 5ghz cpus out in the am4 platform and that is a big upgrade.
 
sideways14a said:
Hmm well if you look at like for like, and you really aught to be looking at the thread-ripper platform as being the modern version of your x58 then you will find that they are massively better.
Up to 16 cores/32 thread, quad channel ram, decent speeds and plenty of fancyness with motherboards and there vast pcie lane counts... i would argue the high end has moved on a lot since x58.

I have a 5820k and do not see anything worth going to at its level at the moment, but next year there may be 12 core 5ghz cpus out in the am4 platform and that is a big upgrade.
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That or the new Intel C422 platform with Xeon-W, makes Threadripper look cheap though and costs nearly twice as much per core for Xeon-W it's still weaker on PCIE lanes, buy supports more memory...
 
I personally don't compare my x58 to threadripper, simply as that's not why I bought it. I got my x58 purely because it was a cheaper alternative to a normal gaming mobo/CPU setup and I don't need or use it for anything other than remote access to my work PC and gaming. It's punching above its weight, which isn't bad for an 8 year old CPU which cost me £20 including delivery :)
 
Very true Bongo, they were insane money when new, but now I think for the price of them they cannot be beaten easily! I'd happily go with another Xeon in the future for a gaming rig, but I don't believe the newer ones can be overclocked, at least not like these Westmere models?
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
Very true Bongo, they were insane money when new, but now I think for the price of them they cannot be beaten easily! I'd happily go with another Xeon in the future for a gaming rig, but I don't believe the newer ones can be overclocked, at least not like these Westmere models?
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Intel are a right pain for locking stuff down - best thing since then was the turbo hacks that could be done for E5v3 iirc on certain boards.

I agree with the value thing - my x5660's were awesome and I had to spend a hell of a lot to get a worthwhile upgrade, was worth it for me though as my TR 1950x wipes the floor with dual x5660's for both performance and power consumption - but am not a very big gamer so my priorities are bit out of line with what others on this forum are going for!
 
BongoHunter said:
The Xeons - the RRP on a x5687 was nearly 2k for example
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Yes indeed rather expensive, but the path that x58 allowed the lower end users to take over the past couple of years is staggeringly good. I mean, if you were lucky enough to have an x58 board, with one of the £250 i7-920's, the ability to drop in the 6c/12t Xeon parts(s) at £25-50 is massive value, and proves how stagnated the CPU market was from 2010, until last year. I've just won an auction for an x58 board for £35 posted, and 24GB RAM for £37, top that with a Xeon 5670 for £33, and you've got a beast of a machine for £105. which is less than what 16GB of DDR4 RAM costs. :)
 
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