As I said your missing the point of what I'm saying...
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Xfire hate!?
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As I said your missing the point of what I'm saying...
What about people who cannot afford a highend GPU but want a few fps more. A cheap second GPU will do nicely, so there's plenty of scope for xfire.
Your point does not matter as all your doing is pointing fingers and is no different than me pointing a finger at someone falling down a hole that i dug in front of an exit of a football match without a sign and having a go at the person who fell in as if it was not for that particular person i would not be standing in court on charges when in fact i would be in court anyway because if it was not that person it would have been another as the problem of the hole existed anyway and it was only a matter of time.
No different than 5 people stealing from the cookie jar, running to hide in the cupboard but only 4.5 can fit in and because of the 5th not fitting in they all get caught, they are all guilty, no point in blaming the 5th as they would have all done the same if they were the 5th..
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It's always better to buy the single fastest card that you can afford, rather than going for two cheap ones.
Ok take my daughters Pc then Titan 8200i Spinosaur 4.6 2500k, 8 meg ram MSI GTX 460oc, purchased October last year. Im looking for a better GPU for her. It is far better and cheaper to source another GTX 460 for around £80 second hand for SLI than it is to buy a new GPU, unless you can suggest one that's faster than 460 sli for £80. Cannot see you're problem with it, a lot of peoples sigs say they have xfire/sli.
I don't have an out and out problem with it. I never said I did. Just that from my experience (having owned various multi-gpu setups) it's hot, noisy and consumes more power than I'd like. There are also various driver issues and game incompatibilities that you don't experience with a single card.
Tom's Hardware said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995-15.html
The argument is most important when buying GPUs new. In your situation, buying a second card makes some sense because 460s are cheap as chips now. But obviously you're still going to experience the disadvantages that come with multi-GPU, and I guess that has to factor into the cost/benefit analysis
But if you buy a cheaper card because you cant afford the latest and greatest, then come in to some money say 6moths later rather than remove and attempt to sell the old one, why not buy another and xfire or sli, thus increasing gpu power and keeping cost down?
Also people who sli/xfire the latest cards like say xfire 7970's can just disable xfire if a game comes out which doesnt work well with it, then turn it back on when its had a driver update, even with one 7970 running they still have the same power as the single gpu users then when the fix is out they have more power/frame rate.
It just seems to me, people go over board with how bad multi gpu setups are! They wouldnt bother with the technology if it didnt work would they? You can just see how it all started... "one guy had a few problems got annoyed, told his mate it was flawed, who told his mate, who told his mate etc etc, and now 30-40% of the pc world think its broken and doesnt work" without actually trying it them selfs.
Now im not saying it does or doesnt work for everyone i just think the problems are hyped up to seem worse than they really are by some people
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True but for out and out performance for £80 you cannot go wrong, many others will be in the same boat, just makes more sense to me. But i may be very lucky to having no real problems. Come to think of it Skyrim was the only one with no xfire support on release, i just disabled xfire and played with less detail till it was patched, no biggy really
Wouldn't say that was a great case for it, granted less money similiar performance in many cases... but your relying on SLI compatibility for the same performance and lacking in VRAM for higher resolutions/settings over the 580. Its a viable case but far from clear cut one.
GTX470 SLI on the other hand is a good case for it IMO - still cheaper than the GTX580 but a fair bit faster and less limited by lack of VRAM.
GTX470 SLI on the other hand is a good case for it IMO - still cheaper than the GTX580 but a fair bit faster and less limited by lack of VRAM.
Was in the context of a post on the other page about my daughter GPU upgrade, for another £80 secondhand GTX 460 she can have 580 performance. This is where xfire/sli wins on GPU upgrades.
Plus like me if you go 2560x1440 res you don't want to be playing it at 1080 graphic option settings so you have to go xfire\sli to get the best out of high res
gaming 2560X1440 BF3 70+fps, you would never go back!!!!!!!!!!
By the way i totally agree, i would only buy a single GPU because of noise heat issues etc. Like in the latter post, i only see a place for xfire/sli in cheap upgrades and highend gaming now especially with all the price drops that are happening. I would not see the point in buying two mid-range cards to play at 1080. I went from 5970 to 5970-5870 trifire because i totally missed out the 6 series completely, was only because i went 1440 that the GPU`s showed their flaws with vram and i went to 7970`s. If i had not upgraded to 1440 and was still at 1080 the 5970-5870 trifire would have lasted years lol.
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At the time, both my 6950>70's cost £40 less than the cheapest 580 and totally wees all over the 580 in 9 out of 10 games.
Even if there was no CrossFire support(whether it be full stop or on release day) for any given game that I play, on single card performance, the oc'd and unlocked 6950 is on a par with a stock 580.
Win win situation for me.
As pointed out, if you just want to throw dual cards in any given setup and hope that it's going to work and you don't have a clue is utter madness.
For example(apologies for pointing the finger mate, but it was the first thread to highlight what I'm talking about), here we have a case of wanting to go dual card setup and doesn't even know how to oc his unlocked cpu:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18383649
Even if there was no CrossFire support(whether it be full stop or on release day) for any given game that I play, on single card performance, the oc'd and unlocked 6950 is on a par with a stock 580.
Win win situation for me.
As pointed out, if you just want to throw dual cards in any given setup and hope that it's going to work and you don't have a clue is utter madness.
For example(apologies for pointing the finger mate, but it was the first thread to highlight what I'm talking about), here we have a case of wanting to go dual card setup and doesn't even know how to oc his unlocked cpu:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18383649
Dont forget that those GTX 460s also clock far in excess of 675 Mhz (and most come pre OCed to 800 Mhz+).
The following cards have been fantastic for SLI / Crossfire in terms of price / performance:
ATI 3850, 4850, 4770, 5770, 5850, 6850, 6870.
Nvidia 9600 GT, GTX 260, GTX 460, GTX 560 TI.
In most of those cases, a pair of them was cheaper AND faster than a single high end card at the time, a single high end card really isnt always the best solution.
??? Even the simplest CPU Overclocking is many degrees more complicated than sticking an extra card in your machine, and making sure a box is ticked.
I agree with your point that you can't expect to put an extra card in any system - things like cooling, power supply, card spacing, etc., all might have an effect. But if you have your system set up for the potential of a second card, it's a very simple upgrade.