'Xmas' is not a word what is wrong with you

JCBeastie said:
A lot closer than Christmas is to Jesus' birthday if you believe the scholars. :p
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Scholars do not know when Jesus was born...Many Scholars do not even think that Dec 25th was chosen because of his birth, but because of his death and the birth-death life cycle symbolic connection..that Christ was conceived and crucified on the same day therefore as it can be demonstrated through Tertullian and other sources that Christ was Crucified on the 14th Nisan, or March 25th according to the Roman Solar Calendar, so by extrapolation as Christ was conceived and crucified on the same day then his birth was 25th December. This association was commonly held by Early Christian Fathers such as Augustine and Epiphanious of the Western and Eastern Christian Churches respectively....this is why Eastern Christianity celebrate on the 6th January instead of the 25th December as they take the 14th Nisan from the Hebrew Calendar rather than the Roman Solar Calendar.

And just another of the reasons why the idea that Christmas was originally pagan is flawed.
 
I write Xmas because it's easier and I don't believe in jesus but I believe in doing my bit for the economy by spending loads on gifts to my family during a mid winter celebratory period.
 
Let's be real here, how many people (or peopel) celebrate Christmas in a religious sense rather than the more typical family get together, with added spending, eating and drinking excess?
I don't give a stuff it it is Christmas or Xmas so long as I can eat Cheeselets by the bucketful.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
That's pretty irrelevant though. We're celebrating it now because of Christianity.
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We're not really, though.

We label the midwinter festival "Christmas" because of Christianity, but that's just the name. Midwinter festivals are so widespread that it's almost certain that we'd be celebrating one even if Christianity had never existed.
 
JCBeastie said:
A lot closer than Christmas is to Jesus' birthday if you believe the scholars. :p
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Which ones? I've read through several people's attempts to pin down a date. Each one seemed consistent. Each one got a different result. The problem is that there's no compelling evidence in any source, not even in their bible (early Christianity was focused on his death as the big deal, not his birth). So people pick different bits of clues and make different assumptions...and get different results.

But I doubt if it's a coincidence that the churches agreed to drop it on the biggest celebrations of the religion they were trying to destroy and replace.
 
kedge said:
Yes it is sad unfortunately but this is the way of this system of things, greed corruption and profit push some even further into misery. Once people realise that materialism is not everything then maybe the price will come down and poor folk can be a bit happier. But we know it's never going to happen under human rule.
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So why do the prices need to come down for poorer folk to be happy in your "materialism is bad" world, the only reason prices coming down would make them more happy is if if then gave them a chance to buy more, hence being more materialistic....
 
kedge said:
Christmas is not a Christian holiday, it has absolutely nothing to do with God nor Christian, Christ should be removed from the pagan holiday, the festive season belongs to the secular society it is a secular holiday, christmas is a false religious teaching, secularists should campaign to remove the word christ and take back what belongs to them.
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This is funny because of the other thread where you got pwn3d :p

Sorry, I mean where everyone found out that you KNOW THE TRUTH.
 
kedge said:
Lol. Seriously though i'm no expert but If God wanted His people to celebrate christmas surely He would have instructed His people to do so in the Bible?, also where in the Bible does Jesus Christ Himself instruct his followers to celebrate christmas?.You would have thought that Jesus Christ being the head of Christianity would have clearly shown instructions to his followers to celebrate christmas, but no one has ever found any instructions by the Christ to celebrate christmas, so therefore it is not a christian teaching from Jesus Christ himself, surely?.
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There are many things that are not explicitly instructed by God or Jesus in the bible that Christians still do.

I wonder how many of these things Christians partake in, yet at the same time denounce Xmas? :)
 
Blazin23 said:
This is funny because of the other thread where you got pwn3d :p

Sorry, I mean where everyone found out that you KNOW THE TRUTH.
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No person or persons has to believe it the truth but has anyone noticed that nobody has provided or shown scriptually where Jesus Christ or even the apostles stated that Christs birth was to be celebrated?. No teaching from the Bible on the subject and no commandment either.
 
kedge said:
No person or persons has to believe it the truth but has anyone noticed that nobody has provided or shown scriptually where Jesus Christ or even the apostles stated that Christs birth was to be celebrated?. No teaching from the Bible on the subject and no commandment either.
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I'm not going to get into this here as many people provided a number of counter arguments that adequately answered your question in the other thread.

Instead, I shall leave you with this horrifically colored gif

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