'Xmas' is not a word what is wrong with you

As a long time sufferer I still had a chuckle at the thought of celebrating 'Eczemas' this year.

It'll be traditional to have tinsel and trees that shed like crazy. Ew.
 
Blazin23 said:
I'm not going to get into this here as many people provided a number of counter arguments that adequately answered your question in the other thread.
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Hey, if it makes you feel better who am i to argue with that?. On the other hand can you show me a scripture where Jesus Christ instructed his followers to celebrate his christmas birthday?, haha.
 
kedge said:
Hey, if it makes you feel better who am i to argue with that?. On the other hand can you show me a scripture where Jesus Christ instructed his followers to celebrate his christmas birthday?, haha.
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From http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18563685

Kenai said:
kedge, no one cares and everyone already knows the Christmas we celebrate has a loose connection at best with any real Christian history. You're not spreading truth, just waffling about a load of tripe everyone else went through when they were 14.
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Castiel said:
To repeat:

Clearly Scripture supports the marking of Christ's Birth through the Nativity, Christmas is a tradition and ritual that encapsulates that, as demonstrated through these (and other) passages.

Isaiah 9:6-7

Luke 2:1-20

Matthew 2:1-12



It is not a religious teaching, it is a commemoration and celebration of his Birth and the Message that Birth brings....are you saying that The Bible doesn't teach about the Nativity or the Glory of Christ's Birth or the Herald of God Message?

All you are demonstrating is your own shortcomings in understanding and interpreting Scripture and how Christians manifest that in a practical way when bearing witness to Gods Message through Christ....you are following men like Herbert Armstrong and Charles Russell, not Christ...it is their Truth you are preaching, not God's.
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The issue, is that you are trying to argue a point that people don't care about, and you never linked to someone that said in the first place that Jesus instructed his followers to celebrate his christmas birthday. It's just you, saying 'x person said y', and then trying to argue against it.
 
Castiel said:
It is not true, it is a common misconception...Christmas coincides with some pagan festivals (although the dates are not actually synonymous with each other) simply because the astronomical and seasonal observances of the Liturgical Calendar are common to many other religious observances, particularly Jewish...for quite obvious reasons...early Christians were in fact Messianic Jews.

And no one knows when Jesus was born...nothing points to it being June in any case...many theologians and historians have extrapolated the likely dates ranging from early Spring to late Autumn and early Winter....but while Christmas has evolved into both a Religious and Secular celebration, what you are both stating is simply a misconception popularised by authors such as William Walsh.
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Qi disagrees....


It seems you seem to be supporting the "it's just a coincidence" view that (suprise suprise) Christian scholars come out with when challenged with it.
 
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kedge said:
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Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia.
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When first introduced, Saturnalia was 1 day and it was a religious thing - praise and celebration for Saturn in his aspect as the god of farming. Straightforward midwinter religious festival as you'd expect in an agrarian society.

But yeah, it had stretched and changed well before Christianity existed and the extended Saturnalia period is clearly the background for much of Christmas - season of goodwill, peace on Earth, giving gifts, etc. Various Roman authorities tried to shorten it and/or strengthen the traditional religious meaning, but it was far too popular as a lengthy festival of peace and hugely relaxed social restrictions and pretty much everyone ignored them. Egalitarian partying, Io Saturnalia! It wasn't lawless as such - it was social restrictions that were mostly ignored, not the law itself (although the courts were closed and no cases were heard or started).

The stretch to the 25th was a result of Mithraism, or more precisely the Romanised version of Mithraism. The 25th was the traditional birthday of Mithras, which the Romans celebrated as Dies Natalis Sol Invictus (the day of the birth of the invincible sun), which tied it in with their older sun god and winter solstice stuff. And if you're partying from the 17th to the solstice at least, why not carry it on to the celebration on the 25th?

I find it rather unconvincing that the main Christian celebration (for which the true date is unknown) just happened to fall on the same date as Dies Natalis Sol Invinctus and incorporate a run-up season covering the same time as Saturnalia and with the same customs as Saturnalia. So I'm of the same opinion as you - the evidence indicates that Christmas isn't really all that Christian and is a Christian re-wrapping of the main festival of the religion the early Christian churches were trying to replace (which I think in conjunction with the chosen date implies at least some degree of deliberate replacement). Later on, it added in stuff from other religions it conquered, e.g. mistletoe, yule logs, etc.
 
Castiel said:
Microsoft made Windows XP. XP is a Greek annotation for Khristos..or Christ. Therefore Microsoft created Christmas.... ;)
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I see a big problem with that argument...

...it means that modern Christmas will only work properly on touchscreens!
 
kedge said:
I'm not going to argue anymore, if people want to celebrate whatever they want to celebrate then that is of their own volition not through biblical instructions or commandments. That's that, enjoy.
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Well let's see...

A Christian regards Jesus as the Messiah, the Saviour of humanity, the living god as man. Rather a big deal to them and clearly the greatest cause for celebration (from their point of view). The guts of the new testament of their bible is about celebrating this - why on earth would they not? It's the core of their religion!

Admittedly the overall message is to celebrate Jesus' existence rather than specifically his birth and in context it does make more sense for a Christian to celebrate his death (which sounds weird, but that's the key "saviour" bit) but celebrating someone's existence on their birthday does make sense. There's also some more direct stuff in their bible - the nativity story, which portays his birth, specifically his birth, as something wise men made a very long journey to celebrate.

I think you're off on this. There might not be a single explicit command in the Christian bible to celebrate Jesus' birthday, but there's enough support for it to be reasonable for a Christian to do so as part of their Christianity.
 
Angilion said:
Well let's see...

I think you're off on this. There might not be a single explicit command in the Christian bible to celebrate Jesus' birthday, but there's enough support for it to be reasonable for a Christian to do so as part of their Christianity.
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Last time from me if that is ok, thank you. Most of the traditions or customs surrounding the midwinter festivities are pre-Christian, if someone wants to celebrate the birthday of the Christ during this midwinter festival also known as christmas or xmas or crimbo or whatever then that is their choice to do so, they have made that choice for themselves. Is God pleased with this?, well let's see.
 
  • I say 'Xmas' because I am an asshat
  • I say 'Christmas' because I am an asshat but know how to use a proper word
  • peopel from Bath have no force here.
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You rant about people saying Xmas and not Christmas fair enough you are entitled to your opinion but then you miss spelled "people". Even a Dyslexic and autistic idiot like myself loled at that.
 
Lazder said:
peopel from Bath have no force here.
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[FnG]magnolia;25446445 said:
Requesting this as the third poll choice. Verbatim, if you don't mind moderoonies :cool:

e : I've updated my own list so mods don't have to. That's the extra mile that this poster is willing to go to get things done.

:mad: THANKS OBAMA :mad:
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KillBoY_UK said:
You rant about people saying Xmas and not Christmas fair enough you are entitled to your opinion but then you miss spelled "people". Even a Dyslexic and autistic idiot like myself loled at that.
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Intentionally misspelled.
 
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