Yet another TJ07 - Loop questions

klaxhu · 22 Jul 2013 at 13:40

Hi all,

After I had to put my project on hold several months ago because I was moving house, I got all my components that I was missing up to the fittings/tubing.

I was trying to think about the loop with two rad's in the bottom (360 and 240) and just couldn't find anything relevant on google or on this forum. I found some, but those systems are sooo far from what I can do in terms of modding and first WC, that I will need to get it right first and mess around later ...

I have the TJ07, WB for CPU, MEM, MOBO, 1x GPU, PUMP, RES, 1x 360 and 1x 240-slim.
Any recommendations on the LOOP you guys could give me?

I have a few things in mind but my design requires quite long tubing to go around the front which will inhibit me of adding some mounting there for my HDD's :-(

thanks!

smit101 · 23 Jul 2013 at 09:09

I'd probably go Res> Pump> 360 rad> cpu> mobo> 240 rad> gpu> memory> res. That way the most important areas (cpu, gpu) are both getting water straight from the radiators so should help to maximise cooling. Motherboard and ram water cooling not required IMO as long as you have a decent airflow across the motherboard.

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 11:38

smit101 said:
I'd probably go Res> Pump> 360 rad> cpu> mobo> 240 rad> gpu> memory> res. That way the most important areas (cpu, gpu) are both getting water straight from the radiators so should help to maximise cooling. Motherboard and ram water cooling not required IMO as long as you have a decent airflow across the motherboard.

thanks!

but i got the mobo and ram WB as a bonus so i think of going all the way for looks and just the fun of it really :-)

does it really make a big difference for temp's the order you put them? you just mentioned that mobo and ram don't get hot anyway so why bother?

the problem is that in the loop just described by you, because the case is huge the looks won't be that great with a couple of long hoses going across

this is what i am trying to figure out actually, how to do it with the least of tubing cutting across so it looks better

i must admit, looks is more important than function in my case, as i don't really care if i will get a few additional degrees because i didn't follow a certain route.

i will post a pic later to show you what i mean

Avathar77 · 23 Jul 2013 at 11:48

smit101 said:
I'd probably go Res> Pump> 360 rad> cpu> mobo> 240 rad> gpu> memory> res. That way the most important areas (cpu, gpu) are both getting water straight from the radiators so should help to maximise cooling. Motherboard and ram water cooling not required IMO as long as you have a decent airflow across the motherboard.

It is a closed loop, so eventually it will come to its own equilibrium. You don't need a RAD before a Block.

Most common dual RAD setups in a TJ07 case is with 2 RADs in the bottom compartment! When you say "just couldn't find anything relevant on google or on this forum" wheat it means to me is that you haven't looked far enough

twist3d0n3 · 23 Jul 2013 at 12:21

Avathar77 said:
It is a closed loop, so eventually it will come to its own equilibrium. You don't need a RAD before a Block.

Most common dual RAD setups in a TJ07 case is with 2 RADs in the bottom compartment! When you say "just couldn't find anything relevant on google or on this forum" wheat it means to me is that you haven't looked far enough

bingo.

res - pump - cpu - mobo/ram (whatever leads to the shortest and tidiest loop) - gpu - rads - res.

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 12:27

Avathar77 said:
It is a closed loop, so eventually it will come to its own equilibrium. You don't need a RAD before a Block.

Most common dual RAD setups in a TJ07 case is with 2 RADs in the bottom compartment! When you say "just couldn't find anything relevant on google or on this forum" wheat it means to me is that you haven't looked far enough

you say that, but i went and looked on several forums and most of the setup are with either a 360 rad on the top with a modded case, or a 240 one on the top.

i think that i have found only a coupe on my search on google where they were cooling like me: mobo, rams, cpu, 1 or 2 gpu's and using two rads in the bottom. (either a 480 and 240 or 360 and 250 as that is as much as you can get in there with a normal power supply - correct me if i am wrong)

i will happily accept a link to a system on this forum with a similar setup to what i want to do, but please - i need it to have the mobo and mem's as well and the two rad's in the bottom. i found either with all what i have but the rads weren't in the bottom, or with the two rads in the bottom but not cooling mobo and mem's...

i hope that makes sense?

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 12:29

twist3d0n3 said:
bingo.

res - pump - cpu - mobo/ram (whatever leads to the shortest and tidiest loop) - gpu - rads - res.

ok, so wait a bit: it doesn't really have to go:

WB > WB > RAD > WB > WB > RAD ....etc

i could just do RAD > RAD > WB > WB > WB > WB > RAD ...etc right?
point being, it doesn't matter if you have RAD after RAD ?

that makes it a lot simpler!! :

thanks guys, i think there are a few things i could try out now.
i only have a slim 240, would that make any big difference or should i forget about it?

my problem right now is that i have 2x 360 and this slim 240 (all bought second hand - don't ask why i ended up with with 2x 360 ...)
so i will end up using one 360 and one 240. later on, if i am bored i could try and flog them and just buy a new 480 and 240 (non-slim) to make it a bit more efficient but with 1 GPU it would do for now, i guess?

twist3d0n3 · 23 Jul 2013 at 12:58

absolutely; just go for the shortest/tidiest route, but make sure you have the pump directly after the res so you don't run the pump dry.

e: you'll be fine running all that on just the 240 + 360. it'll be toasty air coming out but it won't struggle.

you could always stick one of the 360's in the roof and the other in the bottom compartment with the 240 and it'll be a slight improvement over just the 360 + 240, or you could just use the 2 360's and not bother with the 240.

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 13:11

twist3d0n3 said:
absolutely; just go for the shortest/tidiest route, but make sure you have the pump directly after the res so you don't run the pump dry.

e: you'll be fine running all that on just the 240 + 360. it'll be toasty air coming out but it won't struggle.

you could always stick one of the 360's in the roof and the other in the bottom compartment with the 240 and it'll be a slight improvement over just the 360 + 240, or you could just use the 2 360's and not bother with the 240.

good idea - the only problem is i would need to start cutting the TJ07 and i don't have a dremel - yet

tbf, i am also kinda afraid of messing it up (bought it second hand and it's messed up already enough!)

could i just stick it in the roof and use 2 vents on it rather than 3? would that affect a lot the cooling of it?

examples attached, lemme know what u think or if you have any other tips/tricks

any clue guys why the images link don't work ???

Avathar77 · 23 Jul 2013 at 14:46

What sort of a slim RAD is it?
I did use a HW Labs GTS240 and a GTX480 in the bottom compartment before(if you have not clicked on the link in my sig now is the time) but I found it restrictive in terms of flow(those days I was chasing the mythical 1GPM flow rate - now I know it is not so important) so I changed it to a less restrictive single 480mm RAD.
Regardless what components you are cooling(mobo and ram blocks added or not) 360 + 240 is enough given use of good fans(static pressure).
Adding mobo and ram blocks will not benefit to much apart from reduced flow by increased restriction, but I do understand the looks before performance concept

What pump are you using?

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 14:55

Avathar77 said:
What sort of a slim RAD is it?
I did use a HW Labs GTS240 and a GTX480 in the bottom compartment before(if you have not clicked on the link in my sig now is the time) but I found it restrictive in terms of flow(those days I was chasing the mythical 1GPM flow rate - now I know it is not so important) so I changed it to a less restrictive single 480mm RAD.
Regardless what components you are cooling(mobo and ram blocks added or not) 360 + 240 is enough given use of good fans(static pressure).
Adding mobo and ram blocks will not benefit to much apart from reduced flow by increased restriction, but I do understand the looks before performance concept

What pump are you using?

i know your build, it look quite clean and nice!

reason i want to nail certain things now is that i do one bulk order of the fittings (90 degree ones, 45, caps, screws, etc) and get on with it
the slim 240 rad looks something like this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-018-BX
one of the 360 rads looks like a normal one to me, but the other one is quite thick and has 1/2 threads, so i am getting 1/2 to 1/4 converters ...

i use a D5 with a plexi top, reason why i want to include it in the top section to it could be seen and not in the bottom (can be done later as well)

i think i did everything as it should with the images, why aren't they showing up???

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Biffa · 23 Jul 2013 at 15:10

In my TJ07 I go Res/Pump -> CPU -> GPU -> 240 Rad -> 360 Rad -> Back to Res.

Both rads are in the bottom. Doing it this way minimises the tube length and requirements because its not going back and forth to different components from the rads. And the loop stabilises temps across the system pretty quickly anyway so no need to put the rads after components in the loop.

If you want thin rads that perform like thick rads the Swiftech ones are the best.

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 15:50

Biffa said:
In my TJ07 I go Res/Pump -> CPU -> GPU -> 240 Rad -> 360 Rad -> Back to Res.

Both rads are in the bottom. Doing it this way minimises the tube length and requirements because its not going back and forth to different components from the rads. And the loop stabilises temps across the system pretty quickly anyway so no need to put the rads after components in the loop.

If you want thin rads that perform like thick rads the Swiftech ones are the best.

thanks! i will stick with the ones i have for now; since i have them now i might as well give them a try!

i have illustrated the two possible loops but the images just won't show although attached!!

twist3d0n3 · 23 Jul 2013 at 16:19

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 16:31

twist3d0n3 said:

that's why i did ...
i've seen that is not the only thread with this problem. if you copy the link by right clicking and put it into a browser it works ...no clue why it doesn't on the forum

Biffa · 23 Jul 2013 at 18:37

There is no image links in any of your posts in this thread, there is a link to a web page on the OcUk shop, but thats not the same as an image link.

Paste the image url and we can take a look at why the pics not showing up

klaxhu · 23 Jul 2013 at 18:53

Biffa said:
There is no image links in any of your posts in this thread, there is a link to a web page on the OcUk shop, but thats not the same as an image link.

Paste the image url and we can take a look at why the pics not showing up

oh they were and still are at the end of post no 9 - no clue why they are not showing up

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/541/hty7.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/uzea.jpg

another question: do i need to worry about the thread length for stuff like GPU or mem wb? do i need special low profile threads for those to not inhibit the flow or normal 4.5mm or 5mm threads are ok?

thx!

smit101 · 24 Jul 2013 at 12:05

Avathar77 said:
It is a closed loop, so eventually it will come to its own equilibrium. You don't need a RAD before a Block.

Looks to be quite a debated topic around the overclocking/WC forums but it seems you're correct, several threads, some with detailed testing pretty much show that loop order results in negligible temp differences. This thread has some good info.

Currently doing a twin radiator build in a 900D so will concentrate more on easy tube routing rather than worrying about loop order according to mythical temp differences. I might even manage to create a tidy/aesthetically pleasing loop for a change instead of my usual meandering mass of tubing craziness.

rjk · 24 Jul 2013 at 12:18

pretty much done every configuration worth doing in a TJ07

link in sig.

klaxhu · 24 Jul 2013 at 12:30

awesome guys! i will do some reading but in the end i think i will then just shove both rads in the bottom and construct a loop, test it and see what i will get :-)

can anyone help with the fitting thread question from before?

"another question: do i need to worry about the thread length for stuff like GPU or mem wb? do i need special low profile threads for those to not inhibit the flow or normal 4.5mm or 5mm threads are ok?"