You can test windows 11 with live usb see if you like it

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There's a few things you need
Microsoft account
64gb or higher usb drive the faster the better
Rufus
Windows 11 iso

You can now make a live usb to test windows 11
Without having to install it
It also works as windows to go so you can take it and
Use it on other PC
Handy for using at a friend's house etc
It's a persistent live usb
So you can install software, updates etc and they will remain after reboot

It also should avoid compatibility checks so can test
Even if your pc doesn't meet requirements for Windows 11, TPM etc
Simply select windows to go in Rufus drop down menu options
It will even fetch the windows 11 iso for you if you want
Also useful for troubleshooting,data recovery etc
Especially if you're not used to Linux you can have a familiar environment
To try to test or fix stuff instead of trying to work with a
Linux live usb

Played around with it earlier
And it's actually pretty good especially if got a fast usb drive
The first time you connect to a device you need to verify it by emailed code
From your Microsoft account
But after that you don't need to verify
 
Interesting option to have.

Personally not intending to use Windows 11 any time soon - no lessons have actually been learnt from Windows 10, it seems riddled with underlying issues and the approach with TPM is actively hostile to the end user which sadly a lot of people won't realise until it affects them...
 
Certainly have to agree TPM will be a nightmare
For people who have no technical knowledge they won't
Even know what TPM is
Never mind how to turn it on
Assuming their pc is capable of TPM
Yeah you can bypass the compatibility checking
But only if you have at least a small amount of technical knowledge
Most people turn on their pc and just expect stuff to work
They have no idea how it actually works
 
The problem with TPM is that once you have the groundwork there for removing control of the hardware from the end user application developers and companies are going to increasingly demand it as a requirement, it will remove choice, increasingly applications will be created purely for the benefit of the company not the end user, there will be privacy issues amongst a lot of potential issues.

Bypassing TPM will mean an increasing number of functions/features in the longer term won't work due to a hard requirement for it even if the OS itself is usable without.
 
Guess that's the sort of thing that happens
When massive corporations
Have a stranglehold on something like computers/operating systems
That a vast majority of the world rely on for so many
Parts of their lives now
As for privacy companies like Amazon and Google probably
Already know more about us
Than we know about ourselves
 
You need the ISO of the latest Windows 11 install and an updated copy of Rufus - then use the Windows to go option after selecting the ISO.
 
Believe I used Rufus version 3.16
Though can't check right now
I also just used the download option in Rufus
To grab the iso of the latest version
If you didn't see my previous Rufus post
It can also make an install usb
You can also use Rufus to make a windows 11 install
That bypasses compatibility checking by selecting extended
From the drop down menu options
 
You're welcome mate
It will take a while to install to the usb
So don't panic if it seems stuck with the icon going in a circle
Wish they would go back to the old show a %
So it's easier to tell if it's actually doing something
 
There is nothing wrong with TPM. It's been a stable part of most decent laptops and PCs since 2015/2016. Nobody else to blame for slow adoption other then slow corporations and slow users.
 
Django x2 said:
There is nothing wrong with TPM. It's been a stable part of most decent laptops and PCs since 2015/2016. Nobody else to blame for slow adoption other then slow corporations and slow users.
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Nope it not since 2015/2016. Windows 8.1 on laptops and PCs supported TPM 2.0 since 2013, Windows 7 supported TPM 1.2 since 2009 so I thought TPM had been around on PCs since 2009 but it turned out actually not true. My previous motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V back in 2012 had TPM header supported TPM 1.2.

I been googled and surprised to discovered TPM had been part of PCs since 2000!!!!

Wow I dont know TPM is 21 years old now, stunned to found there was TPM 1.1 drivers for Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Vista back in 2007.

https://support.lenovo.com/gb/en/do...ver-for-windows-vista-32-bit-xp-2000-thinkpad

The first TPM version 0.90 was released on August 2000.

https://trustedcomputinggroup.org/wp-content/uploads/TCPA_Main_TCG_Architecture_v1_1b.pdf
 
Django x2 said:
There is nothing wrong with TPM. It's been a stable part of most decent laptops and PCs since 2015/2016. Nobody else to blame for slow adoption other then slow corporations and slow users.
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TPM is actively hostile to the end user - sadly it will take awhile for people to understand the implications of that. Much of the security measures it can provide, for the benefit of the end user which is what is used to push it, can be done as well or better without requiring TPM.
 
Mcnumpty2323 said:
Certainly have to agree TPM will be a nightmare
For people who have no technical knowledge they won't
Even know what TPM is
Never mind how to turn it on
Assuming their pc is capable of TPM
Yeah you can bypass the compatibility checking
But only if you have at least a small amount of technical knowledge
Most people turn on their pc and just expect stuff to work
They have no idea how it actually works
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TPM wont be a nightmare to end users but it will be a NIGHTMARE to cheaters, hackers and secret spy agents. :)

TPM had been around on PCs since 2000
TPM had been first used on consoles since 2013 with PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series S, Xbox Series X
TPM had been used in ChromeOS on Chromebooks
TPM had been used on all Android phones and Android watches since 2013
TPM had been used on Apple iMac with Intel CPUs since 2006
Apple created their own TPM chip called Secure Enclave which was first used in iPhone 5S with iOS 7 since 2013
Secure Enclave also been used in T1 and T2 chips for MacOS mobile and desktop iMacs since 2017, M1 CPUs since 2020, M1 Pro and M1 Max CPUs since 2021.
TPM had been used in TV set top boxes
TPM had been used in network routers
TPM had been used in Smart TVs

Both TPM for Windows, Chrome OS, Linux, Androids, consoles, TV set top boxes, networks routers, Smart TVs and Secure Enclave for iOS, iPad OS, tvOS, WatchOS, MacOS all have same security measures.
 
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AthlonXP1800 said:
TPM wont be a nightmare to end users but it will be a NIGHTMARE to cheaters, hackers and secret spy agents. :)

TPM had been around on PCs since 2000
TPM had been first used on consoles since 2013 with PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series S, Xbox Series X
TPM had been used in ChromeOS on Chromebooks
TPM had been used on all Android phones and Android watches since 2013
TPM had been used on Apple iMac with Intel CPUs since 2006
Apple created their own TPM chip called Secure Enclave which was first used in iPhone 5S with iOS 7 since 2013
Secure Enclave also been used in T1 and T2 chips for MacOS mobile and desktop iMacs since 2017, M1 CPUs since 2020, M1 Pro and M1 Max CPUs since 2021.
TPM had been used in TV set top boxes
TPM had been used in network routers
TPM had been used in TVs

Both TPM for Windows, Chrome OS, Linux, Androids, consoles, TVs and Secure Enclave for iOS, iPad OS, tvOS, WatchOS, MacOS all have same security measures.
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I meant people wanting to upgrade to Windows 11 mainly
If you buy a new device with TPM already enabled then that's different
It's a seamless experience then
But people with little technical knowledge
Getting you can't upgrade to Windows 11 message
Even though you may even have a relatively modern pc too
For some it might simply be they need to turn ftpm on
In the bios
But a large majority of users have no idea what a bios Even is
Even some who do won't go messing around in there
For fear of doing something wrong
 
Mcnumpty2323 said:
I meant people wanting to upgrade to Windows 11 mainly
If you buy a new device with TPM already enabled then that's different
It's a seamless experience then
But people with little technical knowledge
Getting you can't upgrade to Windows 11 message
Even though you may even have a relatively modern pc too
For some it might simply be they need to turn ftpm on
In the bios
But a large majority of users have no idea what a bios Even is
Even some who do won't go messing around in there
For fear of doing something wrong
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Yeah people with little or no technical knowledge will struggle to figure how to turn on secure boot, ftpm, PTT or how to reset TPM data, how to backup TPM data or clear CMOS and others dont know what BIOS and UEFI is.

Same thing happen with Apple users little or no technical knowledge will struggle to figure how to turn on secure boot or how to reset Secure Enclave data, how to backup Secure Enclave data or reset CMOS, SMC, PRAM, NVRAM and others dont know what BIOS and UEFI is.
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
TPM wont be a nightmare to end users but it will be a NIGHTMARE to cheaters, hackers and secret spy agents.
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There is massive amounts of money in cheating and sadly some people with serious skills who will work on them - there are a number of local machine vulnerabilities with all current implementations of TPM which means that a lot of this effort from MS will be all for nothing on that front.

With that said once TPM becomes standardised as a minimum requirement that adds a layer between the end user and their system - and don't think companies won't exploit that for their interests not the benefit of the end user - increasingly even mundane software will require TPM authorisation, end users will see lack of choice and control taken away from them. For instance a lot of game developers are hostile for some reason to modding even in offline single player games - those higher up seem to see it as a threat to sales of future titles - with TPM they are able to protect their software from that in a way which isn't possible now - some might think that sounds like a good idea but it really isn't.

And in the longer game it builds a platform which would allow control of the internet by making it possible to have a system where only authenticated software is permitted to communicate online - nothing good comes of that.

If people think "oh I'll just move to Linux" increasingly without meeting those standards what you can do with Linux would be reduced to the point there is no choice but to get onboard.

Quite frankly any one with any sense would boycott TPM on the desktop platform - there is a reason for a long time it has been resisted by older timers in the industry.

There is a longer article about it somewhere but I don't have the link to hand but this covers some of it:

https://secret.club/2021/06/28/windows11-tpms.html

We are here to remind you that the TPM requirement of Windows 11 furthers the agenda to protect the PC against you, its owner. It is one step closer to the lockdown of the PC. As Microsoft won the secure boot battle a decade ago, which is where Microsoft became the sole owner of the Secure Boot keys, this move also further tightens the screws on the liberties the PC gives us. While it won’t be evident immediately upon the launch of Windows 11, the pieces are moving together at a much faster pace.
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