Young players that really need a transfer this season?

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Young players that really need a transfer this season to help their development?

  • Which players need to seek a transfer urgently because their development is being stifled?
  • Where should they transfer to in order to get the best chance of maximum playing time and useful coaching that will improve them?
I'm mainly bothered about English players (because the Euros are on) but please post about any really promising talents that you now about that you think are unlikely to live up to their promise at current clubs.

Daniel Sturridge
possibly the most obvious one? now 22 it's starting to look more imperative that he gets over the ego and desire to earn the most money, look for a permanent transfer to a lower down the table club where he could actually play most games while fit, and ideally have a manager who is good at getting the most from players. Everton? Wigan? somewhere in La Liga or the Bundesliga?

Josh McEachran
probably young enough at 19 that he could take a chance on another loan somewhere, but the loans system seems such a **** way of developing players - the loan clubs aren't really that interested in player development, they just get a bit of cheap cover for their main squad. McEachran isn't getting much of a chance at Chelsea, the talk is he is the long term future and a replacement for Lampard, but how can that happen whilst watching from the stands or on sitting on the bench at Swansea?

Adam Johnson
Would he have made the England squad if he was playing more? According to the stats he actually did make 38 appearances and 7 goals.


This (not great) article offers up more suggestions: http://www.footballfancast.com/2012...n-premier-league-youngsters-in-need-of-a-move

  1. John Guidetti – Manchester City
  2. Nathan Delfouneso – Aston Villa
  3. Romelu Lukaku – Chelsea
  4. Federico Macheda – Manchester United
  5. Daniel Pacheco – Liverpool
  6. Joe Mattock – West Brom
  7. Carlos Vela – Arsenal
  8. Victor Moses – Wigan
  9. Danny Rose – Tottenham
Follow up article with a list of very promising young players that failed to live up to the hype: http://www.footballfancast.com/2012...en-youngsters-who-never-got-out-of-first-base

  1. Rohan Ricketts
  2. Luke Freeman
  3. Michael Mancienne
  4. Michael Johnson
  5. Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
  6. Neil Mellor
  7. Christopher Wreh
  8. David Bellion
  9. Bebe
  10. Gael Kakuta
 
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8th June 2012;

Tummy said:
More Sheffield Wednesday news and gossip :cool:;

Sheffield Wednesday have completed the capture of defender Joe Mattock.

Link.

I've played football with Joe a fair few times when we were both younger. Really pleased with him signing.

Gossip;

Derby's Chris Maguire wanted by Sheffield Wednesday.

Link.
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Shamikebab said:
Sturridge played quite a bit last season didn't he?
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At first, but not much after AVB was sacked. Given the players already at Chelsea and the ones potentially signing, Sturridge is clearly not going to be the primary striker. As an England fan I'd be happy for Sturridge to go elsewhere and have a real attempt at becoming one of the best/the best English forward as he reaches his prime. If he's ultimately not good enough then so be it, but at least give it the best possible effort.
 
Guidetti isn't being stifled. He was on fire before his injury and it is a bad one so he will likely be at City until at least Jan.

Also regarding Adam Johnson, he played quite a lot and scored quite a few goals and got a few assists so his exclusion from the team was bizarre considering Downing got in.
 
not quite sure how moses is on that list, played most the season for wigan and did ok.

most obvious of the list are Macheda and Vela, thought Macheda had worked a transfer to italy and vela has been in spain most the season with reasonable chance of a move i think after the way he's played.

can't see sturridge going anywhere, from comments i've seen he thinks hes good enough for chelsea, but i've not seen him do enough to think he'll get chance to prove it.

as for adam johnson / downing could be to do with downing starting games rather than being brought on as a sub which is what i remember with johnson ?
 
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Your correct that Johnson has mainly come on as a sub but he had made an impact when he has done in most games. Downing has done nothing either starting or sub. It is quite frankly embarrassing that he didn't score or get one assist.
 
giovanni. he's shown what he's capable off on the international stage.

be nice if he got more chances to show if he's got what it takes.

 
cm1179 said:
giovanni. he's shown what he's capable off on the international stage.

be nice if he got more chances to show if he's got what it takes.
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think he's one of those luxury players, and with the likes of van da vaart & modric at spurs hes in the queue, but had the feeling redknapp didnt fancy him for whatever reason.

think the problem is baz that its the "sub" appearance counting against him rather than being seen as a starter (even if the starter was rubbish lol), but tbh that would have suited us at the euro's with the likes of walcott and chamberlain.
 
Icm76 said:
Josh McEachran
but the loans system seems such a **** way of developing players - the loan clubs aren't really that interested in player development, they just get a bit of cheap cover for their main squad.
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What? That's a pretty ignorant way of looking at things. When most EPL clubs loan out their players, they have clauses which state that the receiving club doesn't pay the players wage unless they don;t play them.

For example, if McEachran went on loan to Burnley they wouldn't receive any money unless he sat on Burnley's bench and didn't get played.

Likewise on the player development front, the amount of clubs that sign EPL youngsters after successful loan periods is increasingly popular. The club I support have signed two players from EPL clubs in this off-season. Both players were loaned to us by stronger teams (Everton and Southampton), and after giving them game time and assisting in their ongoing development, we've managed to convince both players to join us on a full time basis.


The one issue that Chelsea had with loaning players has been cleared up long ago. When B. Rodgers was in charge of their reserve team, he proactively blocked young players being loaned out to smaller clubs.

Anyway... Joe Mattock seems to have gone backwards in his career (no offense Tummy!). I remember him signing for WBA as the next big thing in British Left Backs, but he's not really been given the opportunity to develop there. No doubt he's a cracking signing though, and will likely be the best piece of business/best Championship Left Back of the season.

I'd probably throw into the mix:

- Jordan Rhodes at Huddersfield
- Jacob Butterfield at Barnsley
- Matty Philips and Tom Ince at Blackpool
- Wilfred Zaha at Crystal Palace

Arguably all are talented junior players, but as with the list you've put together, it never harms any young player to be loaned out to a club at a complimentary standard to his developing ability. Likewise, I'd probably say people like McEachran, Delfouneso and Lukaku will all eventually do well at their current clubs but just need a bit more time to develop into more rounded players.
 
toshj said:
I'd probably throw into the mix:

- Jordan Rhodes at Huddersfield
- Jacob Butterfield at Barnsley
- Matty Philips and Tom Ince at Blackpool
- Wilfred Zaha at Crystal Palace
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can't see that currently they would be helped with a transfer.

rhodes will be in the championship this season, so a step up for him and chance to develop.

same with the others i think they can develop better at there current teams than getting a transfer.
 
mp260767 said:
can't see that currently they would be helped with a transfer.

rhodes will be in the championship this season, so a step up for him and chance to develop.

same with the others i think they can develop better at there current teams than getting a transfer.
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Yep, that's what I was getting at, but phrased it poorly. I reckon both Tom Ince and Zaha could do with another season in the Championship. I'd say Matty Philips is the best winger outside of the EPL, and would probably compliment a number of first teams in the EPL - Norwich, Swansea, Stoke, WHU, Fulham, etc.

Same with Jordan Rhodes. He's never going to have bundles of pace, but he should tear the Championship apart this season and as such I reckon he could do the business in the EPL now. If a team threw £5-6mm at HTFC I reckon they'd accept and playing a full EPL season he'd likely score 10+ goals - not a bad return on a comparatively cheap forward (by EPL standards).

Lastly, Jacob Butterfield's future will come down to how he recovers after his injury. Seeing as Newcastle were talked about buying him this summer, still injured, says quite a lot about the guy, and after watching him in the Championship last season I reckon he could slot quite well into a couple of EPL midfields or provide decent competition for a first team spot in certain teams.
 
toshj said:
What?...
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It's harsh, but I believe the loan system is broken - it's encouraging wealthy big clubs to sign as many promising talents in the hope that they might turn out OK, they then send them out on loan in the hope that they might get game time only to find out the loan club has other priorities, the developing player isn't quite good enough and ends up sidelined.

You point out some success for loanees at your club, perhaps this issue is worse for potentially elite players? I believe McEachran has (at least partially) wasted a season, and it bothers me enormously that he could follow the pattern of Gael Kakuta, who has had one disappointing season on loan after another. Some might say, "oh but Sturridge had a great loan at Bolton, loans work." I just see it as evidence that he would be better served full time at a club that's the right level for his current ability.
 
toshj said:
Yep, that's what I was getting at, but phrased it poorly. I reckon both Tom Ince and Zaha could do with another season in the Championship. I'd say Matty Philips is the best winger outside of the EPL, and would probably compliment a number of first teams in the EPL - Norwich, Swansea, Stoke, WHU, Fulham, etc.

Same with Jordan Rhodes. He's never going to have bundles of pace, but he should tear the Championship apart this season and as such I reckon he could do the business in the EPL now. If a team threw £5-6mm at HTFC I reckon they'd accept and playing a full EPL season he'd likely score 10+ goals - not a bad return on a comparatively cheap forward (by EPL standards).

Lastly, Jacob Butterfield's future will come down to how he recovers after his injury. Seeing as Newcastle were talked about buying him this summer, still injured, says quite a lot about the guy, and after watching him in the Championship last season I reckon he could slot quite well into a couple of EPL midfields or provide decent competition for a first team spot in certain teams.
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You're right about Phillips, one of the best wingers out side the prem, both him and Ince could cut it in one of the lower end prem squads getting a decent number of games under their belts, but Blackpool isn't going to hold them back for now.

Rhodes and Butterfield just need games more than anything else, being a rotation option for either in the prem would do nothing for them really.

Don't have any time for Zaha yet though, thought he was utter pap both times we played palace. Despite having significantly more pace than just about any saints player his entire game was 3 step overs and loosing the ball, so any player with the slightest ability stopped him from doing anything. Couple of seasons at palace could help him but its the classic "he's english and has pace so must be good" thing.


Clyne is another player to wack on the list, I don't rate him as a RB that much, but right midfield he could be pretty good and some decent training could help him. (well aware that he is transferring just not sure where)
 
Sturridge may get more games now Drogba has left.

Personally I'd say:

-Carlos Vela > Spain: Won't get a look in following the signings of Podolski & potentially Giroud, he is fluent in Spanish so should try to engineer a move out there
-Michael Johnson > Newly promoted club: Looked real quality at Man City but suffered from injury and got frozen out once the big spending started. Too good to be slumming it outside the Prem, he needs to get a couple of full seasons as a regular under his belt before securing a move to a club challenging for the Europa league.
-Nicklas Bendtner > Tottenham Hotspur / Everton: Will never win over the majority of Arsenal fans and is now arguably surplus to requirements. Spurs are in need of a striker and being able to stay in London would presumably appeal. Everton might be another possibility as they are a bit short up front too.

Will return with more later...
 
Michael Johnson will never play top level football again. Serious issues with weight management and personal issues / discipline.

Which is a shame really as he had the potential to become one the best English players of the upcoming generation.

From a city perspective Boyata, Cunningham, Razak, Weiss and Nimely all have potential.

Razak in particular could easily become world class in the next few years with a decent loan spell

International - Marco Reus needs a move but wouldn't go out of Germany.
 
Johnson was arrested again a few weeks ago for drunk driving.
Cunningham, Weiss and Nimley are never going to play for us again. Razak and Boyata have potential however.

Reus has just gone to Dortmund?
 
Didn't know Reus had gone to Dortmund.

I thought management had got to over the Weiss loving Rangers thing. He's due back/actually back from Spain.
 
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