Your thoughts on Steam
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Well the only way that someone could have got my details is that they managed to hack into a fairly unsecure site that I had signed up to. I might have been using the same email address/password combo on some other sites so someone could have hacked into that and for some reason thought to try logging into Steam with those details. Basically Steam support just said tough luck, look after your passwords better and closed the enquiry. It's more likely Steam themselves were hacked but they'd never admit to that. I don't think there's really much I can do.MNuTz said:
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i like steam sometimes i get trouble from it though
I bloody hate it.
If Valve "think" you "might" have been cheating, hacking, or doing whatever they don't like, they can effectively rob you of your money. Doesn't matter if you did it or not, they'll just stop you playing, and that's that. No single player, nothing.
It's not like WGA with Microsoft where you can fight your corner. Valve just don't care.
Plus it's not like Half-Life 2 was that good anyway, certainly not good enough to make me want to risk installing Steam. If I ever install HL2 again it will be with a Steam-less hack, and I won't feel an inch of guilt doing it.
If Valve "think" you "might" have been cheating, hacking, or doing whatever they don't like, they can effectively rob you of your money. Doesn't matter if you did it or not, they'll just stop you playing, and that's that. No single player, nothing.
It's not like WGA with Microsoft where you can fight your corner. Valve just don't care.
Plus it's not like Half-Life 2 was that good anyway, certainly not good enough to make me want to risk installing Steam. If I ever install HL2 again it will be with a Steam-less hack, and I won't feel an inch of guilt doing it.
I've been on it for several years, never had any problems... See it as a decent way of getting updates etc for games without having to worry. Have had a read of some of the things they've got planned for Steam and they look pretty good! 
Dreadi said:
It was a rumour, someone posted some easily fakeable screenshots and everyone belived him, nothing happened to steam.
I like steam because of the cheaper prices. Bad points are the anti-piracy measures that yet again are easily bypassed while inconviencing the normal user.
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MNuTz said:not should, could.
You can, i can, we all can but none of us would be stupid enough to come onto a public internet forum and start telling people that we make illegal backups of media
Paying in $ gives a discount, when I bought hl2 from there it was cheaper than any shops I could find it.
Energize said:
Maybe because HL2 was there virgin release and wanted everyone using Steam, selling it cheaper on there was a marketing ploy.
However, it cant just be me that finds it over priced now, especially for the older games?
To be perfectly honest i don't think anyone has highlighted any real issues other then the hacked account, which is obviously a nasty deal, and as said already i think you would have been off fighting for your right to play the game you paid for a little more.
I don't think you should be able to play more then 1 game at once, as said already, you can't be at 2 PC's at once.... its a 'Single User License' or something along those lines, and its part of the terms and conditions you agree to when you install games. So the way i see it, you want to break the terms you already agreed to, and feel as if Steam are at fault for not allowing this... its simple logic, its not Steam's fault, its yours for not understanding the user agreement and adhering to it.
Steam in my mind are on a good thing, but they obviously have a few customer relations issues, how many companies dont?...
Surely steam accounts are tracked to a degree though and they keep a list of IP's logging into an account??.... and if thats the case, unless the person who hacked the account was on the same ISP. However there is the case where you login to your steam from another PC. I also believe Steam are in their right mind to say you should use secure passwords. If you visited a site and used the same details, then that really is your own fault, you should really make more effort in using varied account passwords and/or usernames, along with ensuring you have the relevant PC protection.
If someone robbed my bank account because they were accessing my PC while i was using online browsing, then hell yeah thats my bad for not taking care of my PC protection.
Everytime you install a game or create an account, basically anywhere on the net, you are always (or 99% of the time) provided with a 'terms & conditions' or 'user agreement' ..... they don't put them there to look pretty... they're there to help you know your rights and guide you into how to avoid the worst, so a failure to read them or adhere to them isnt really the fault of the site/company who wrote them.
I feel for the guy who got hacked, but i'm sure (or hope) you take more care when creating account and passwords now.
Ok i missed one, the steam requirement for offline play, now that does bug me to. This could well be something that is addressed by them later though, hopefully if enough people complain about it anyway.
I don't think you should be able to play more then 1 game at once, as said already, you can't be at 2 PC's at once.... its a 'Single User License' or something along those lines, and its part of the terms and conditions you agree to when you install games. So the way i see it, you want to break the terms you already agreed to, and feel as if Steam are at fault for not allowing this... its simple logic, its not Steam's fault, its yours for not understanding the user agreement and adhering to it.
Steam in my mind are on a good thing, but they obviously have a few customer relations issues, how many companies dont?...
Surely steam accounts are tracked to a degree though and they keep a list of IP's logging into an account??.... and if thats the case, unless the person who hacked the account was on the same ISP. However there is the case where you login to your steam from another PC. I also believe Steam are in their right mind to say you should use secure passwords. If you visited a site and used the same details, then that really is your own fault, you should really make more effort in using varied account passwords and/or usernames, along with ensuring you have the relevant PC protection.
If someone robbed my bank account because they were accessing my PC while i was using online browsing, then hell yeah thats my bad for not taking care of my PC protection.
Everytime you install a game or create an account, basically anywhere on the net, you are always (or 99% of the time) provided with a 'terms & conditions' or 'user agreement' ..... they don't put them there to look pretty... they're there to help you know your rights and guide you into how to avoid the worst, so a failure to read them or adhere to them isnt really the fault of the site/company who wrote them.
I feel for the guy who got hacked, but i'm sure (or hope) you take more care when creating account and passwords now.
Ok i missed one, the steam requirement for offline play, now that does bug me to. This could well be something that is addressed by them later though, hopefully if enough people complain about it anyway.
One thing I like about steam is its seemingly decent netcode, I play a lot of CnC and Battlefield and have terrible problems sometimes logging on, but steam games never fail to log onto the server and have me playing in less than a minute.
t31os said:
It's not about not understanding the agreements or not. The thread is about your thoughts it steam , it being too restrictive is a perfectly valid reason for not liking it.
Two separate games
Each game only installed to a single pc at any time. (both pcs yours)
Can't use both at the same time , unless you put them on separate accounts.
Why shouldn't you be able to?. You've legally bought two games , each game is only installed to a single pc at any one time.
Wheres the problem?. You've paid for both , only have each game installed to a single machine at a time , and each game is only in use by one person at any one time?. Why is this problem?.
No one would accept it if say bf2 kicked you cos someone was on your copy of 2142. Yet with steam it's perfectly fine.
It's far too restrictive. While it may be in the T&C's somewhere , doesn't mean that not liking how restrictive it is , is not valid for disliking the system.
i think steam is a great idea, great idea for the game company itself, cos they can sell so many copies without actually having to sell them physically thru stores etc...
they can earn more money without the need of sharing the profits with other game stores, they can do it on their own online...
they can earn more money without the need of sharing the profits with other game stores, they can do it on their own online...