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Six6siX said:
Would you rather the driver risked it like they may have done in the past and caused a crash killing hundreds and requiring a cleanup, lawsuit and prosecution and further delays while an investigation and rebuild of the infrastructure was completed? For the sake of a few minutes? :rolleyes:
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Yes. Don't these trainplebs know that there are more important people in the world than them?
 
darael said:
Posters directing personal insults at me seem to forget how train drivers managed with the sun for so long, I did read the article and can see why the trains were delayed - but why couldn't the conductor check whether or not the train was safe to leave the station and signal to the driver via the driver cab controls.
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ah come on, it was clear the personal insult (singular not plural) was tongue in cheek.

edit: oh I see one of the mods didn't see it that way.......fair enough I guess.
 
arctine said:
The article fully explains the reason which is not ridiculous at all. I am not sure how this is news/thread worthy.
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Because the reason they gave was "Strong sunlight" if they said the train was delayed due to safety reasons then no would be complaining, the news story wouldn't had happened, this topic wouldn't had been made, I wouldn't be posting.

But common sense died a long time ago.
 
That beats the "swan on the line" at Winchester I had one time. It was amusing watching the orange high vis train people stare at it not really sure what to do to get it to move lol.
 
tbf to OP when the article first appeared (around 12.30) on BBC it didn't have all the details. Not sure whether he opened it before the update

e: to add to this there are known signals on the network that have "sun problems" at certain times of the year due to the sun angle
 
Six6siX said:
Would you rather the driver risked it like they may have done in the past and caused a crash killing hundreds and requiring a cleanup, lawsuit and prosecution and further delays while an investigation and rebuild of the infrastructure was completed? For the sake of a few minutes? :rolleyes:
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...glare this morning made it impossible for some drivers to see the full length of their train in their mirrors.
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So the issue wasn't being able to see what was in front of the train, it was being able to see in mirrors that allows drivers to check the length of the train behind them. But I always thought that all trains had conductors that performed this check for the driver and signalled either by means of whistle or signalling to the driver from the cab at the rear of the train.
 
darael said:
So the issue wasn't being able to see what was in front of the train, it was being able to see in mirrors that allows drivers to check the length of the train behind them. But I always thought that all trains had conductors that performed this check for the driver and signalled either by means of whistle or signalling to the driver from the cab at the rear of the train.
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Not on southeastern services.

These trains very rarely have a conductor and even at lewisham (which is fairly busy) they don't often have enough platform staff to do this. Two of the platforms have fairly sharp bends as well so I could see how the sunlight could cause a problem.
 
I'll just add that since the unfortunate incident at James Street station in Liverpool, all train crew are now much more aware of train dispatch from platforms and the risks of departing without fully checking the whole train length.

These delays are more a case of Network Rail failing to provide train operators with suitable DOO equipment on platforms. Mirrors just aren't good enough any more on busy platforms and should be changed for CCTV monitors. These delays are not down to SouthEastern or their drivers. It is Network Rail's responsibility.
 
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