Y'Reckon I've got the sack?

~J~ · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:50

Some of you might remember me and the 'happenings' of my overtime and lack of getting paid.

Anyway...

Yesterday, boss came round, went through some work that needed completing today. Last part of 'my work' didn't make sense when examined carefully. Basically it was trying to get information based on several fields when infact the form that was getting the information had one important field missing. It was decided that rather than do extra work and do it wrong, it would be left.

Today, boss comes round, looks at work, EVERYTHING that was written down was done 100%, no mistakes, no "Can you just change...?", "I actually meant...", you get the picture.

Anyway, came to the last part, and boss asked where it was. Informed him that we agreed it couldn't be done because of lack of information. I get told that's NOT what was agreed. Gives me details of what is needed (which I assure you were NOT given yesterday), and I say it'll be done at home and he'll have it by 20:00 without fail.

He then informs me that "it had better!", that he's extremely disappointed and annoyed in me and to consider that as my final warning!

Fine! Take it on the chin, turn round and get on with work.

As he's leaving, reminds me that "it had better be done" for tomorrow morning, "no matter what". I politely say "OK, no probs, I guarantee it'll be done" and ask "is this classed as overtime?"

Bad choice of words!

I'm told that it's not ******* overtime, I've to get it done no matter what. It's my ****-up, my mistake and I should do it no questions asked.

Kinda tookback by this, I simply ask "So I'm not getting paid?", probably not politely, but certainly not intimidating and then hell breaks loose!

I'm told I'm a "******* ****", have an attitude problem and to "**** off"

So I did!

What ya reckon then? P45 in the post?

PardonTheWait · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:52

Sue the arse off him, then his mum. Sounds like a nasty little gob*****.

~J~ · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:53

Mohinder said:
then his mum.

LOL - Bit harsh!

FordPrefect · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:54

It really depends upon the circumstances. Unless disciplinary actions are done properly you might very well have a case for unfair dismissal, and possibly even constructive dismissal if you left of your own accord.

Only you know your position best and you have to be honest with yourself, if he is/has been unreasonable then consult with proper professional help. If he isnt chock it down to experience and move on, and hope he doesnt deservidly slate you further down the line when someone contacts him for a reference.

Sirrel Squirrel · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:54

Why didn't you tell him you couldn't do it at the time rather than just leave it, I'd be pretty p'ed off too.

wasc · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:54

Was there anyone else around to witness that? If he actually swore at you saying you are a ******** e.t.c then this is illegal and you will actually be able to do so much damage to him with all the unfair dismissal laws which are usually biased towards the staff and not the employer.

Ripper · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:55

the somerfield i work at has one till bird leaving this week!

can put in a good word if you want

Raikiri · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:55

~J~ said:
LOL - Bit harsh!

...If you have been fired claim for unfair dismissal and harrasment

PardonTheWait · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:55

FordPrefect said:
deservidly slate you

Uh?

How does he deserve a slating? His boss sounds like a right **** to be honest. Of course we're getting half the story here, and we're not going to get the other half, but unless the OP is fibbing, his boss wants a smack in the mush tbh.

~J~ · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:57

Sirrel Squirrel said:
Why didn't you tell him you couldn't do it at the time rather than just leave it, I'd be pretty p'ed off too.

Because to be honest, I enjoy my work and the amendments to get the project 100% finished would have really took about 1 hour to sort out.

I'd had a rollocking, I'm adult enough (and cocky!

) to simply say "OK, my bad, you'll have it tonight."

I know what you're saying though, I should have simply said it was my fault and what more can I do, but I'm an idiot who likes to be well though of.

Aliboy · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:57

wasc said:
Was there anyone else around to witness that? If he actually swore at you saying you are a ******** e.t.c then this is illegal and you will actually be able to do so much damage to him with all the unfair dismissal laws which are usually biased towards the staff and not the employer.

I would have to agree with this. Also, if you get pulled into the office then take someone with you to be a witness. If he refuses to let you do this then punch his lights out

~J~ · 23 Mar 2006 at 19:58

wasc said:
Was there anyone else around to witness that? If he actually swore at you saying you are a ******** e.t.c then this is illegal and you will actually be able to do so much damage to him with all the unfair dismissal laws which are usually biased towards the staff and not the employer.

Yeah, a colleague, but they're best of mates

VeNT · 23 Mar 2006 at 20:08

Old No.7 said:
I would have to agree with this. Also, if you get pulled into the office then take someone with you to be a witness. If he refuses to let you do this then punch his lights out

orbital desruction is the only way to confirm your P45 I think

FordPrefect · 23 Mar 2006 at 20:17

Mohinder said:
Uh?

How does he deserve a slating? His boss sounds like a right **** to be honest. Of course we're getting half the story here, and we're not going to get the other half, but unless the OP is fibbing, his boss wants a smack in the mush tbh.

I am saying if there have been problems in the past, with poor performance, poor punctality or attendance.

If there have been no problems and the boss is just being a git then obviously its not deserved! Given that all we have is one side of one conversation I am not judging the OP or his boss.

~J~ · 23 Mar 2006 at 20:21

FordPrefect said:
Given that all we have is one side of one conversation I am not judging the OP or his boss.

No I agree with you totally, only my side of the story I'm afraid.

The only 'bad' points that's been in the past is a few week ago I asked to work through my lunch and that I'd 'probably' leave at around 17:00, but I actually left at 16:30.

Got a roasting next day and was told he doesn't like been took for a ride. Other than that, and part from the usual bossie telling offs you generally get ("Hurry up!", "Is that done yet?", "Not like that!"), it's been a normal working relationship.

benneh · 23 Mar 2006 at 20:22

Unfair dismissal. Take him to wherever you take these numpties, then punch him in the kidney.

MATTeL · 23 Mar 2006 at 20:27

wasc said:
Was there anyone else around to witness that? If he actually swore at you saying you are a ******** e.t.c then this is illegal and you will actually be able to do so much damage to him with all the unfair dismissal laws which are usually biased towards the staff and not the employer.

Really which law has he broken?

Dismissal procedure and conduct guidelines and laid out in a contract of employment and not in statute.

If he has given a "final warning" and not followed the procedures then we is unable to progress it, a final warning is usually done in writing and part of a disciplinary action at which according to The Fairness at Work Act of 1999 you are entitled to representation of your choice; including a Union representative even if you organisation doesn't recognise unions.

You also have the right to appeal against any disciplinary, within I believe 14 days.

As for the manager swearing at you, document everything that happened before during and after the event. It will be useful for the HR department if you wish to complain or if it has to go futher.

thebrasso · 23 Mar 2006 at 20:31

You should have said "whats your problem, were you bullied it school?"

Are there any more senior managers you could speak to, it does seem he was rather harsh.