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z170 vs x99 CPU's - gaming performance.

if you look at the bottom tier which will probably replace 5820k its basically same speed. so minor speed bump.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
realistically it wont.

what many forget is devs look at what people have majority not minority.

everyone always says multicore is coming. never really has.not gamingwise.
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Agreed. There was a sarcastic edge to my previous comments ;)

People also forget that both the 6700k and 5820k make excellent gaming chips. Its hard to see anyone regretting either before the time comes when neither cuts the mustard, which will probably be two or three years away at least. God knows we'll all be talking about Zen+ or Icelake by then.

The other thing is that people buy their components to suit their usage. If you do productivity, then the extra few quid for an x99 kit makes sense. If you don't then it makes sense to go for a cheaper skylake platform. My own situation is that I don't use multithreaded apps, I use my hardware in both atx and mini itx setups, and I take forever to tune my overclocks ( high stock IPC has value for me). All in all, skylake was a better fit, but I have to acknowledge that it would be different for many others.

The last point I'd make is a minor one. If your looking at x99 because its close in price to a 6700k setup, then you're very limited in motherboard choice before the price difference really pulls away. While most x99 boards have good quality power delivery, if you're fussy about BIOS implementation, fan control, onboard audio, aesthetics or other features, then you might take that onto account.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
realistically it wont.
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Looking at the recent news, especially for VR which is what i want to build my comp for, DX12 seems to already be an important factor - so i think that has just sold me. Only thing i need to figure out now is whether to wait for the Broadwell E...

AMD freely admits their single core performance can’t compete with Intel (at least until Zen). That’s a known fact, and AMD’s focus has historically been on pure overall performance for the price. But a representative today assured me that this list of suggested CPUs will deliver a strong VR experience — especially when DirectX 12 enters the equation.
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The GDC organisers have published a new blog post which says that the first two days of the conference will host the many Bootcamp and Tutorial sessions. Beyond the gaming niceties such as level design, art direction and storytelling fundamentals, advanced graphics techniques tutorials will cover in-depth important new technologies like DirectX 12 and Vulkan. While "special emphasis will be placed on the new programming model and HW capabilities enabled by DirectX 12," from Nvidia's and AMD's demo and developer technology teams (among others), I have spotted various Vulkan focussed sessions such as one presented by ARM and Epic Games, plus an Nvidia hosted session which covers Multi-GPU techniques in both DX12 and Vulkan.
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Minstadave said:
How come you went X99, you were extolling the virtues of sky lake earlier. :confused:
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been doing a lot of research for last two weeks on gaming i6700k vs 5820k , editing, videos and after seeing literally every benchmark and mates who have 6700ks or 5280ks i made my conclusion.

from what i seen in gaming overall a 6700k is at stock about the same as a 5820k. almost identical.the extra cores basically in many games make up for the slower clock speed but....

once overclocked the 5820k basically takes a bigger lead again.which the 6700k cant really catch up.

editing/ps/videos. not even close. 5820k destroys it once overclocked.

future games . pinch of salt whether devs will factor in support more towards the 5820/x99 but...if they do cater for more cores you ahead again.

so its just more pluses for x99 platform for little extra isnt it ?
 
~>Dg<~ said:
i ordered my x99 gear. thought im not waiting for broadwell e cause we know intel. small speed bump.

:p
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Which board did you get in the end? Been thinking about X99 but not sure which of the medium priced (< £300) boards is best....

:)
 
~>Dg<~ said:
been doing a lot of research for last two weeks on gaming i6700k vs 5820k , editing, videos and after seeing literally every benchmark and mates who have 6700ks or 5280ks i made my conclusion.

from what i seen in gaming overall a 6700k is at stock about the same as a 5820k. almost identical.the extra cores basically in many games make up for the slower clock speed but....

once overclocked the 5820k basically takes a bigger lead again.which the 6700k cant really catch up.

editing/ps/videos. not even close. 5820k destroys it once overclocked.

future games . pinch of salt whether devs will factor in support more towards the 5820/x99 but...if they do cater for more cores you ahead again.

so its just more pluses for x99 platform for little extra isnt it ?
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Thanks for this. I keep dithering over a new build and swinging back and forth between Z170 and x99, trying to choose between a 6700k, a 5820k or waiting for a 6800k.

Any PC I build needs to be capable of gaming at 1440p but also needs to handle creative productivity such as Photoshop, Painter, Illustrator and a bit of 3D rendering too.

I think x99 makes most sense, so it's a question of trying to hang in there for the 6800k unless the 5820k gets majorly discounted in the meantime (unlikely of course).
 
Bear in mind the motherboard makers will bring out new models to coincide with broadwell-e. The current x99 boards are a little behind the z170's in features, but the newer x99 boards will bridge the gap, and likely have even more stuff (like thunderbolt 3, usb 3.1, etc.)
 
Well if Broadwell-E is a nice step up from Haswell-E at least you now know you can simply update your bios and drop in an 8 core Broadwell-E which is what I'm doing :)
 
I'm in the same boat. Been holding on to my OCed 2600k for years waiting for a real upgrade. I was going to jump to a 5820k but I'm waiting for Broadwell-e
 
It seems like early adopters really benefit with most things CPU/GPU based, yes they pay early adopters tax but they're getting the latest products and features in return plus it's usually a simple upgrade for when the next new one comes and selling last gen stuff whilst it still has value only helps towards the cost of upgrading.

I'm in the other boat, always playing catch up, I only recently made the move to Haswell and not even an i7 at that (still haven't owned an i7). But I find iut hard to justify the initial outlay of a current gen top end system when the performance increases are fairly small all the time.

I was intending waiting for the 6700k before it was released, but when I saw the price I just couldn't do it so went with a 4690k.
 
Dicehunter said:
Well if Broadwell-E is a nice step up from Haswell-E at least you now know you can simply update your bios and drop in an 8 core Broadwell-E which is what I'm doing :)
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For the same amount of cores / clock speed broadwell-e will be very similar to haswell-e it is the same design on a smaller node after all. Given other recent process size shrinks I doubt broadwell-e will clock any better than haswell-e as well. Ipc will be very similar between the two

I reckon a meaningful upgrade therefore will be reliant in going 'up' the respective lineup ie hex core to Oct core, or Oct core to deca core assuming your workload can benefit
 
AllBodies said:
Bear in mind the motherboard makers will bring out new models to coincide with broadwell-e. The current x99 boards are a little behind the z170's in features, but the newer x99 boards will bridge the gap, and likely have even more stuff (like thunderbolt 3, usb 3.1, etc.)
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There already x99 boards with multiple m.2 slots and boards with usb3.1 out on already. Thunderbolt can also be added on some boards but there's not much out there that uses it...

No doubt well see a few 'new' boards to entice new customers to 2011-3
 
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