Zeitgeist - start making tin foil hats!
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Johnson being sworn in hours after JFK was assassinated. Johnson smiling, his aide winking. The actions of two normal and very innocent people
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Have you ever read (or listened to) "UFOs, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies You Don't Have to Be Crazy to Believe" by Richard Belzer? His examination of the JFK assassination and investigation is both enlightening and wonderfully rich in sarcastic humour. I recommend it. The UFO bit though is a bit less impressive.
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Have you ever read (or listened to) "UFOs, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies You Don't Have to Be Crazy to Believe" by Richard Belzer? His examination of the JFK assassination and investigation is both enlightening and wonderfully rich in sarcastic humour. I recommend it. The UFO bit though is a bit less impressive.
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I have exchanged letters with James Douglass for the last 4 years or so though. He wrote a very good book on the JFK Assassination. If the topic interests you, perhaps you should give it a read.
The two towers stuff lacks evidence, the banking stuff is mostly easy to aquire knowledge (on how the banking system works - just hardly anybody has taken the time to read up on it).
The religous one is the most interesting, as humanity did start out worshiping the sun the moon, the oceans, thunder & the sky (old Norse gods etc).
It's only natural for us (as a species) to anthropomorphise these things over time, it's also true that most religions are heavily borrowed from each other (even many of the specific myths).
It's a bit too much of a tin foil hat party for my liking, but a few good points.
The religous one is the most interesting, as humanity did start out worshiping the sun the moon, the oceans, thunder & the sky (old Norse gods etc).
It's only natural for us (as a species) to anthropomorphise these things over time, it's also true that most religions are heavily borrowed from each other (even many of the specific myths).
It's a bit too much of a tin foil hat party for my liking, but a few good points.
There are some good points raised in Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Ammendum but unfortunately a lot of the "theories" can be debunked which discredits the rest of it somewhat.
Oh - If you're looking for bonkers CT I randomly found this last night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_Base
Oh - If you're looking for bonkers CT I randomly found this last night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_Base
It's an interesting video, I do tend to agree with the tin foil hat brigades theories on the twin towers.
The banking system is known about but I tend to agree in 'Addendum' that the monetary system, or systems built upon scarcity - are causing a lot of the ills in the world. There must be a better way to do it. Maybe their project Venus ia a bit naive, but I'd sign up for it.
The banking system is known about but I tend to agree in 'Addendum' that the monetary system, or systems built upon scarcity - are causing a lot of the ills in the world. There must be a better way to do it. Maybe their project Venus ia a bit naive, but I'd sign up for it.
The banking video is spot on bar some 'filler'
Everyone knows religion is a story adepted to suit the current generation. But, whatever.
9/11 - meh - something wasn't right, but it should be laid to bed now.
Thing with conspiracy theories is they became a 'fad' IMO. Everything is now scrutinized by people with too much time on their hands. Sometimes they come up with legit information, but the vast majority of it is just nonsense.
Everyone knows religion is a story adepted to suit the current generation. But, whatever.
9/11 - meh - something wasn't right, but it should be laid to bed now.
Thing with conspiracy theories is they became a 'fad' IMO. Everything is now scrutinized by people with too much time on their hands. Sometimes they come up with legit information, but the vast majority of it is just nonsense.
It's this approach to 9/11 that baffles me.
You say that something wasn't right but "meh". Thousands dead, civil rights removed from civilians, innocent people shipped off to prison where they're tortured without any due process oh and a war all stemmed from this one event.
But yeah. Meh.
Can't do anything without solid proof. Every theory I've seen had holes in it. Some had very large holes in them.
Is it worth dragging the subject up every year without one new shred of info? I don't believe so. So, yes let it lie. If you believe different, fine. But, show me something that I haven't seen before.
Some examples -
The planted explosive theory.
Inside job to incite war.
Israel.
etc etc
All lack substantial evidence. A theory is only as good as the evidence to back it up.
The new fad of CT nuts doesn't help the matter either. Most are extremists in their own right. Most as closed minded as the people who believe everything reported was legit.
Is it worth dragging the subject up every year without one new shred of info? I don't believe so. So, yes let it lie. If you believe different, fine. But, show me something that I haven't seen before.
Some examples -
The planted explosive theory.
Inside job to incite war.
Israel.
etc etc
All lack substantial evidence. A theory is only as good as the evidence to back it up.
The new fad of CT nuts doesn't help the matter either. Most are extremists in their own right. Most as closed minded as the people who believe everything reported was legit.
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but the ego gets in the way.....years of self appointed opinions get in the way. If you start to believe outside your own programmed beleif system it will frighten you....lololololo.
There are various examples of governments performing "false flag" attacks in order to justify action that otherwise the people wouldn't like. I'll throw some links up later if you want actual examples.
The whole thing that baffles me with the 9/11 attacks is the third tower collapsing. Years after the event it was claimed it collapsed from falling debris from the other towers but I don't need a degree in engineering to think that's a little fishy.
I personally find the best way to look at these things is to see who benfited the most from the event and in this particular case the US government used it to usher in the patriot act and to justify the war in Iraq (even though Iraq were nothing to do with the attack), that makes me a little suspicious.
The whole thing that baffles me with the 9/11 attacks is the third tower collapsing. Years after the event it was claimed it collapsed from falling debris from the other towers but I don't need a degree in engineering to think that's a little fishy.
I personally find the best way to look at these things is to see who benfited the most from the event and in this particular case the US government used it to usher in the patriot act and to justify the war in Iraq (even though Iraq were nothing to do with the attack), that makes me a little suspicious.
Feel free, though any examples you will manage to find will have one thing in common, they didn't manage to stay secret. For something the size of 9/11 you would need a lot of people involved and a lot of people to stay quiet. Considering how leaky governments are I find this somewhat surprising that they would manage to find so many people perfectly willing to murder 3000 people for little personal gain and keep quiet about it.
Massive structural damage after being struck by debris plus an unattended fire burning in it for hours. Have you seen the pictures of just how much damage was done to WTC7?
So the terrorist organisation didn't benefit by having their cause writ large on the world stage, humiliating their enemy and causing massive destabilisation? There is no doubt that the US took advantage of 9/11, there is however zero evidence that they engineered it.
True, it would be difficult to keep quiet. But there is some mileage in all the events which seem to be physics 'special cases'. Not saying each is impossible, but all on the same day?
Twin Towers collapsing at freefall (both towers)
Plane Wreckage in Pennsylvania 'vaporising'
Plane at the Pentago 'vaporising'
WTC7 collapsing at freefall
You could take each of those events individually and say "well it could have happened because of x,y,z..", but for all of those to occur at the same time? The balance of probabilities suggests that what they say happened is not the case.
That's really easy to explain...
They didn't, otherwise the bits falling faster than the towers are somehow accelerating...
Neither did, there are bits of plane wreckage all over the place in numerous photos.
It didn't, see above re: twin towers.
As none of them happened we are all OK now aren't we?*
Are you at least going to be brave and suggest what you think actually happened? From the above I am guessing controlled explosive demolition and missile into the pentagon?
*It's ok, I know the answer is "NO! It is still really suspicious" because it is really hard to reason someone out of a position they haven't really reasoned themselves in to.
Not meaning to sound condesending here but how would I possibly have examples of false flag operations that were secret? So yes, the false flag operations that were discovered aren't secret anymore..... The line of thinking that governments are too leaky to keep a secret is absolutely ridiculous, applying that logic then we shouldn't need spies we'll just wait for the government to accidently disclose the information. Seriously this whole paragraph has weak reasoning.
Yes I watched the videos. Weirdly there was a huge lack of videos at the time and more and more seemed to appear over time, not calling a conspiracy here just explaining what happened. In all of the videos I've seen at no point is the building hit by anything substainsial. Please link me a video where it is. Also, visable damage does not equal falling debris damage, it just indicates damage.
Fair point they benefitted from it but I would dispute there's zero evidence the US engineered it. I understand the burden of proof lies on my side and with the lack of a smoking gun it's virtually impossible to do this, in my opinion the absolute mountain of circumstantial evidence makes the whole thing questionable but I appreciate not everyone agrees.
What are the 'rational' reasons put forward to explain these?
Do you know how spies get most of the information? From leaky governments...
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
So what do you think happened? How do you think the towers came down? What evidence do you have to support it? So far you are saying "It all looks a bit suspicious". Like we see massive terrorist attacks on skyscrapers every day...
Do yourself a favour and skip the first movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w