Zen 4 to have pcie 5

[Destination]

Can always tell when someone emotionally or financially involved reads an opinion they don't like, they resort to insults or other derogatory comments. Sigh.
How exactly are AMD going to compete, when Alderlake will further intel's single thread IPC advantage and also eclipse Zen 3 in multi-thread/productivity workloads?
AMD are set to refresh (sigh) Zen3 with extra cache sometime in 2022. Intel are launching Raptorlake, which will bring further IPC improvements, along with 24 cores total (8b16s), in 2022 as well..
Meteor lake likely to launch in a similar window to Zen4 - to my eye it's AMD that are back on the backfoot.
AMD have woken the sleeping giant that is Intel, lets hope for competition that they pick up the pace and don't get crushed.

Post your current cinebench runs for r23 please Dave.
I want a comparison for when the new gen launches.

 

[jigger]

Dave2150 is really worried about the gap AMD have opened on Intel and what Intel have in store for Nvidia

Hey Dave. Rough times a head for Intel. It’s going to worse before it starts to improve.

 

[jigger]

Fat chance. Raptor Lake is next as that's a refinement of Alder Lake (tweaks to the big cores, doubling the small cores), and that's pegged for about a year afterwards. Meteor Lake is 2023 built on Intel's 7nm "Intel 4", assuming they get it viable for then.

It’s Dave. We all know what he wants to get across.

 

[cliffy]

Late 2022 for AM5 - assuming no further delays. I expected AMD to be faster, considering they were first with PCI-Ev4 etc.

Looks like AMD have taken their foot off the pedal, as Intel launch Alderlake and next gen DDR5/PCIEV5 platform in the next few weeks, followed by Raptor lake in 2022.

Perhaps AM5 will end up competing with Meteor Lake?

Looks like you need to do some homework @Dave2150 . Zen 3D due out in quarter 1 to compete with Alder lake and i think will manage that. AM5 Q3 just before Raptor Lake, from what is being reported Raptor Lake is not a big improvement over Alder lake and may struggle to get a extra 10% performance increase. I think Intel will be taking a back seat for at least 2 more years yet

 

[Calin Banc]

I've edited 4K RAW footage from a Gen 4 SSD and it's a thing of beauty. Alas it wasn't my machine and alas my high-end video production days are behind me. Your average YouTuber would benefit from such a setup, but anything above that is HEDT territory. My main system is still SATA SSDs and there's just no perceptible difference in everyday operation compared to NVMe.

not yet

 

[Fluffybob]

They haven't fixed the PCIE 4 issues on my X570 board yet FFS !

 

[LePhuronn]

not yet

Indeed. And when it does make a difference it'll be glorious.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Gskill has already announced 6400 cl36 DDR5 for this year, if it improves that fast we could have decently faster and lower latency ram for the new platforms by middle of next year.

 

[welshrat]

So with PCIE 5 assuming we get one NVME slot and 1 GPU slot at 5 speed will the other NVME be 3 or 4 ? Just interested to know as I cant see myself needing PCIE 5 for a good while but assuming I do upgrade in say 3-4 years where will I stand with existing drives

 

[jigger]

So with PCIE 5 assuming we get one NVME slot and 1 GPU slot at 5 speed will the other NVME be 3 or 4 ? Just interested to know as I cant see myself needing PCIE 5 for a good while but assuming I do upgrade in say 3-4 years where will I stand with existing drives

I think Ryzen will be full Gen5 at least on the top chipset. PCI-E5 is fully backwards compatible, so older peripherals will drop straight in.

 

[THX1138]

For me the early adopter's tax is just to high pcie 5 and ddr5 new socket it all adds up.

 

[TNA]

And in which time AMD release Zen 3D to compete with Alder Lake and Zen 4 to compete/crush Raptor Lake. So no, AMD haven't taken their foot off the pedal at all.

This PCIe Gen 5 thing is Intel knee-jerking to AMD getting Gen 4 out and Comet Lake staying with Gen 3. The only thing that PCIe Gen 5 will bring to the mainstream desktop is storage bandwidth, but Alder Lake doesn't support the full Gen 5 speeds for storage, so it's largely just a big numbers marketing exercise. I'm not even convinced Intel's block diagram is accurate in using Gen 5 to offer a lot of Gen 4 links to and from the chipset, that's just silly when just having more Gen 4 lanes will do the same job.

I do not even think we will benefit much from it apart from the new power delivery system I think I read you can use a single cable to power 600w to a GPU. Sure we will get faster sequential nvme’s but I can’t see that making much difference to anything any time soon.

I will likely skip pcie 5 and go to 6 myself

 

[rumple9]

With Microsoft direct storage and pcie5 nvme when they become available will probably lead to instant on (no windows boot time) and instant game loading

 

[Harlequin]

Ian Cutress on his Tech Tech Potato channel has address a lot of the questions about upcoming cpu`s.

 

[Sean473]

With Microsoft direct storage and pcie5 nvme when they become available will probably lead to instant on (no windows boot time) and instant game loading

Heard this for a long time.. I'll believe it when I see it!

For now, Zen 3+ with vcache is the best upcoming option IMO!

 

[THX1138]

With Microsoft direct storage and pcie5 nvme when they become available will probably lead to instant on (no windows boot time) and instant game loading

I think you are getting confused with consoles

 

[Sean473]

I think you are getting confused with consoles

Direct storage is coming to PC but I doubt it will be that awesome tbh!