ZMA

Bakedgoods · 16 Aug 2007 at 07:56

Tried it for the first time last night. Can't say I noticed much of a difference... my girlfriend did though...

Apparantly I woke her up waving my hand in her face, saying "Din dins! Din dins, dinner" with my eyes wide open staring at her.

She then went to the toilet and came back to me sprawled all over the bed hogging it all.

Obviously I have no recollection of this.

MTA99 · 16 Aug 2007 at 11:32

Haha!

Shared a bed a couple of times with brief acquaintances

while on ZMA and they didn't say anything. Probably too scared...............no wonder they never called back :confused:

Bakedgoods · 16 Aug 2007 at 11:37

I thought she was taking the michael because i've never done anything like that (as far as I know). Keep looking back and laughing

What's your opinion on ZMA anyways?

MTA99 · 16 Aug 2007 at 11:42

Took it with Tribulus and got really horny and had hairs growing in places i never had hairs before :eek:

To me that showed it was increasing (and/or maximising) my testosterone levels. Managed to hit 90kgs while taking it but I was eating big (and a bit dirty) so not sure how much of an effect it had. 90kgs is my current target, i'm eating fairly big at the mo and a lot cleaner than before and not taking ZMA or Trib. Should be able to make some kind of comparison even if its not a strictly scientific

Bakedgoods · 16 Aug 2007 at 13:52

MTA99 said:
Took it with Tribulus and got really horny and had hairs growing in places i never had hairs before To me that showed it was increasing (and/or maximising) my testosterone levels. Managed to hit 90kgs while taking it but I was eating big (and a bit dirty) so not sure how much of an effect it had. 90kgs is my current target, i'm eating fairly big at the mo and a lot cleaner than before and not taking ZMA or Trib. Should be able to make some kind of comparison even if its not a strictly scientific

Urgh hairs :[

Oh, I tried WMS for the first time after workout yesterday. Had about 40g in about 700ml or so of water. Doesn't actually taste paticularly bad but it leaves such a strange feeling in your mouth, didn't really enjoy it lol.

MTA99 · 16 Aug 2007 at 14:46

I used to chuck WMS in with whey and oats post work out, no messing about with time delays!!

Does make your mouth a bit "furry". Its not unpleasant but its not nice either its just kinda...........meh

Chong Warrior · 16 Aug 2007 at 15:23

Lol, WMS does have a funny texture

It's murder trying to drink it when you're really thirsty.

MTA99 said:
I used to chuck WMS in with whey and oats post work out, no messing about with time delays!!

Only because you're a lazy goit

MTA99 · 16 Aug 2007 at 15:24

Chong Warrior said:
Lol, WMS does have a funny texture It's murder trying to drink it when you're really thirsty.

Only because you're a lazy goit

Can you imagine me half way home on the tube getting some powders out of my rucksack and mixing them up? :eek:

Actually i'm white so no one would look twice :rolleyes:

Ultra_Extreme · 17 Aug 2007 at 03:26

I think ZMA is great for achieving/maintaining natural growth. Its a permanent pre-bed supp for me now. Great for restoring you after a cycle of PH's too.

benjo plz. · 17 Aug 2007 at 22:34

Yeah, ZMA has some interesting effects on sleep, sometimes gives me a hangover.

Morba · 17 Aug 2007 at 22:53

not too 'up' on ZMA, have read many reports that conflict though, some that say test is raised but others that say nothing at all has come from using it!

Chong Warrior · 17 Aug 2007 at 23:32

Phnom_Penh said:
Yeah, ZMA has some interesting effects on sleep, sometimes gives me a hangover.

I thought I was the only person that happened to! ZMA used to give me bad headaches, I'm pretty sure it dehydrated me. Always woke up at least once in the night to pay a visit, which is something I never usually do.

Bakedgoods · 20 Aug 2007 at 11:22

I have always woke up 2/3 times in the middle of the night, but when I wake up now, be it in the night of in the morning I definately do feel more 'tired' initially. It's a groggy feeling, possibly an indicator that i've woke up from a deeper sleep (you feel like that if you wake up during certain stages of the sleep cycle).

After a period of feeling more tired than usual (doesn't last long), I generally feel better. I'm going to finish off the test month supply I bought

UEX · 20 Aug 2007 at 12:19

Wardie said:
I have always woke up 2/3 times in the middle of the night, but when I wake up now, be it in the night of in the morning I definately do feel more 'tired' initially. It's a groggy feeling, possibly an indicator that i've woke up from a deeper sleep (you feel like that if you wake up during certain stages of the sleep cycle).

After a period of feeling more tired than usual (doesn't last long), I generally feel better. I'm going to finish off the test month supply I bought

I think it might be a dosage thing, ya see ive been on ZMA for months and had no issues, however i recently bought the Total Performance vitamin stack from MP. The PM capsule is basically ZMA with some other bits thrown in, but ive been taking my original ZMA on TOP of the stack. And let me tell you ive been wanting 12hour sleeps and waking up feeling like my brain is wrapped in a fire blanket even when i have a lie in for a few hours.

Im gonna adjust the dosage and see what happens.

Bakedgoods · 20 Aug 2007 at 12:26

I've stopped taking my ADAMS Multi Vitamin while i'm on ZMA to avoid high zinc dosages.

I don't feel bad, just more tired that usual when I first wake up. Within the space of a few minutes though I feel absolutely fine and throughout the day i'm fine.

It's hard to tell at this stage really, i'm sticking with the plan of taking it for a month and then it should be easy to compare the differences once I come back off it.

First chest day after a week off, i'm so looking forward to it ;D

Chong Warrior · 20 Aug 2007 at 13:11

UEX said:
I think it might be a dosage thing, ya see ive been on ZMA for months and had no issues, however i recently bought the Total Performance vitamin stack from MP. The PM capsule is basically ZMA with some other bits thrown in, but ive been taking my original ZMA on TOP of the stack. And let me tell you ive been wanting 12hour sleeps and waking up feeling like my brain is wrapped in a fire blanket even when i have a lie in for a few hours.

Im gonna adjust the dosage and see what happens.

MP's total performance stack is quite poor and definately over priced. The main reason for the expense is the included ZMA, which is very strong. I've never seen one with 50mg zinc before. A lot of companies even halved the dosage of their ZMA from 30mg to 15mg for fear over over dosing the zinc.

I'd be wary if I were you of taking the MP and another ZMA on top, that's 80mg of supplemented zinc! just a thought.

Wardie said:
I've stopped taking my ADAMS Multi Vitamin while i'm on ZMA to avoid high zinc dosages.

You're taking one of the better multi's that again has ZMA included, why bother wasting your money on a seperate ZMA sup? Wise to stop the ADAM's while you use the ZMA.

I'd use the ADAM's on training days and ZMA on rest days for recovery, alternate them

Bakedgoods · 20 Aug 2007 at 13:19

Not bad thinking there bud, might well give it a go. My body probably has no idea what's going on after only recently being exposed to the world of vegetables.

I know there's some ZMA in ADAMS but if I remember rightly it's a smaller dose than the ZMA I bought.

Definitely a good idea about alternating them though, will probably do that.

(ADAMS Vitamins smell rotten)

Chong Warrior · 20 Aug 2007 at 13:31

Wardie said:
Not bad thinking there bud, might well give it a go. My body probably has no idea what's going on after only recently being exposed to the world of vegetables.

LOL

I know there's some ZMA in ADAMS but if I remember rightly it's a smaller dose than the ZMA I bought.

Smaller dose of magnesium but still a hefty dose of zinc @ 30mg per serv iirc

(ADAMS Vitamins smell rotten)

Most multi's do. Buy the V-Caps instead of the tablets. They're easier for the stomach to break down and they don't smell as they don't have the coating on that gives off that awful stink.

I've stopped taking a multi-now. I've managed to get my diet to the level I'm confident enough I'm getting all the nutrients I need... and then some!

Bakedgoods · 20 Aug 2007 at 13:34

I did buy the Vcaps, it isn't an awful smell just a pretty strange one.

Ah well, i've bought the ZMA now and it was only a months supply so no real waste. I'll just try doing it how you suggested above

You still thinking about competing?

Chong Warrior · 20 Aug 2007 at 13:41

Wardie said:
I did buy the Vcaps, it isn't an awful smell just a pretty strange one.

I've got half a tub left, just opened it and I can't smell a thing from mine.

I remember the tablet version used to smell and I have some from Holland & Barrett that are tablets and they smell absolutely vile once the tubs been open a few days! :eek:

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