You've come to this forum, one prevalent with people who're passionate (ooo illiteration) about training. We've posted our opinions, and you've reacted very defensively. I have no idea what previous threads you've made, and I certainly don't have any anger towards you. But on reading only this thread, you're completely unwilling to accept the advice of others unless it's sicophantic, pat you on the back nonsense.
If someone came to me asking for tips on an exercise more likely to do him harm with little to no benefit, I'd tell him not to bother and offer alternatves, as theres far more effective, and if he threw his toys out the pram, and refused to accept my advice, I'd react in a very similiar way to that which many in here have. Noones been particularly rude or derisive, people have offered alternative advice. You're unlikely to find a thread full of yes men telling you 'great job' on an internet forum popuated by kowledge people.
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FreeFaller : what's the betting I'm back to my old tricks and have killed the thread
I just re-read the last three pages of the thread to remind myself of what I thought when I first checked the thread for replies and saw 13 replies from some of the members of this forum., The impression I got after reading the initial 13 replies was a negative one, and I was also saying to myself...what? The thread was setup for me to ask a couple of questions, I didn't make this thread and ask do you think this is a good idea? I had some questions and my initial questions weren't answered.
To remind you this is what I said in OP:
1)The reason I've posted is to ask people with experience of juice fasting for some advice/tips
2)My questions to you are, which fruits and veggies should I buy
3)Which are cheapest because I'm not loaded
4)And what are good combinations which taste nice?
5)should I do it like this...3 whey protein shakes and 5 veg/fruit juices? as an example? that way I would still be getting some protein as well as the vitamins and minerals from the fruit.
6)Also I know bananas have high carbs so they would be a good choice to add some carbs but what about fats?
Here are just some of the responses I got within the first 13 replies:
IIRC this is the dude that apparently eats 200 eggs a week
210 eggs a week and a diet of egg whites/sardines/fresh baby spinach/oats/fruit/protein shakes/vitamin tablets and wanting to stay clean so not taking creatine.
notsureifserious.
One of the silliest things I've read in a while, thanks OP.
Why don't you just eat a well structured balanced diet that suits your goals
These quick fixes don't last you know.
Why are you cutting out everything other than your juice?
Followed up by:
At least you realise you should reduce bodyfat rather than pack on minimal muscle mass on a high bodyfat frame.
Other than that: lolskskotchegg.
I think you should do this. Maybe then you'll exhaust yourself of these stupid diets and settle on something good and sustainable.
What are these 15 minutes of "abs" you do everyday out of curiosity?
As far as I can see the only mistake I made was to use the word juice instead of smoothie and to not state clearly that I was going to do my best to make this a well balanced diet. Yeah I got this idea from a documentary whom used the words "fruit/veg juice fast" but I didnt know the difference between a juice or smoothie. But from some of the replies it looks like what I'm doing will be more smoothies with a couple of juices thrown in.
A lot of the recipes I've seen on many sites suggest to use things like nuts, peanut butter, honey, low fat natural yogurt, coconut milk, normal low fat 1% milk so I'm trying to write down recipies and improvise and throw in some way to make it well rounded and then my usual calories is around 2600 on a workout day and 2000 on a none workout day and I've been losing weight on this diet just fine with my 2 hour workouts 5 days a week.
I was hoping people would replies with experience from going on a detox and also fruit/veg juices and smoothies and share recipes etc.
I'm doing this for a 10 day trial, I'll see how it goes, its just a little experiment, I'm sure many of you have tried different things before with your nutrition and training and then decided its not for you or perhaps you've enjoyed it and merged it into your normal eating habits or training regime.
I'm sure thousands of people try detox diets, or weight loss diets and drink smoothies and juices everyday, and like I said before just because people dont conform to society and do everything everyone else does, it doesn't make them wrong, am sure many of the diets and principles that are used in nutrition and training today was once seen as weird but now accepted as scientifically proven etc. Arnold was probably classed as weird back in the day for his eating methods too.
At the end of the day I'm hoping to complete my body and get it to where I want it to be within the next 2 years, if in 2 years time I achieve this goal, then that means it was all worth while. I want to be 16 stone, ripped and huge, thats my end goal...in a few years time when I look back, I'll think about all the things I did, the different training styles the different eating habbits and one thing will be for sure, that all of what I did got me to this point and where I am now. All the people and the disbelivers that doubted me, it wont matter because I'll be where I want to be.
I even think that now, I look back over the past 4 years, do you know that when I first walked into a gym I was do cardio for 3 hours and then do some weights for 30 mins and then go swimming for 30 mins and then go home, I did crazy stuff like that, I'd get on tred mill and I'd be out of breath in about 2 mins so I'd have to walk, and then run and then walk, I didnt know it at the time but thats what you guys now call HIIT, I guess I just fell into that by luck, but it worked...sometimes I cant believe how much cardio I used to do, and its not wonder I was so weak after when I would try to do weights and would struggle to bench 10kg plate on each side lol.
The point of what I just wrote is, nobody told me what to do, I didnt read any websites back then, I just got in the gym, put my heart into it, and its paid off, I've managed to keep the 6 stone off me for 4 years where as other people fail and quit the gym and go back to their old eating habbits, I've managed to continue and not give in and I'm probably more addicted to the gym now then I was 2 years ago, I get excited before a workout.
Nobody would have ever told me to go do 3 hours of cardio, thats crazy...but I did it anyway and its paid off. We can talk all day about training regimes and eating habbits but at the end of the day hard work, heart and dedication is what has got me to where I am now, and the same hard work and determination will finish me off within the next 2 years.
Like arnie said in pumping iron, "bodybuilding has been a beautifull experience for me and I'll continue it for the rest of my life, its the greatest sport!"