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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 01:16   #61
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Given the price of these out going 5870's I'd be very surprised to see the majority of Etailors pricing the 6950 too close until the stock is cleared, I would say 249 would make a good price point until availability of the new cards increased and the old cards decreased.

Take in to account the fight for the Holiday Season business and you can expect some very aggressive offers from the manufacturers pushing pretty big discounts for suppliers. I'd expect to see a 199-229 6950 about a month from now, and GTX 480's to be down at 229-249.
oh dear, that would be mint
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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 09:26   #62
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190 is a total bargain for one of these.

Makes me question why anyone would buy a 6870
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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 09:48   #63
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Because it's not AMD selling the cards it's VTX, VTX would buy an allocation of chips these chips would have been produced pre 6800 series. You really think VTX or AMD are making a loss even a 5870 @ circa 200 both parties will still have made profit.
Oh ok sorry didn't realise you were the new purchaser for GFX cards at OCUK you must have real good connections at AMD.

Oh wait.



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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 09:55   #64
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would you buy a 5870 for 190 ? how cheap could it go when the new 6900 are out??
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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 10:02   #65
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Because it's not AMD selling the cards it's VTX, VTX would buy an allocation of chips these chips would have been produced pre 6800 series. You really think VTX or AMD are making a loss even a 5870 @ circa 200 both parties will still have made profit.

Fact is VTX have a build cost, they have sold below what there build cost is substancially as are other ATI AIB Partners.

I know this for a fact, the only way VTX or any other board partner can prevent loosing money is to go back to AMD and say we need to shift our 5870 inventry which we own at this price, but we need to sell it at this price. Then hopefully AMD will financially sort them out so they can move the stock at a lower cost. If AMD refuse then the board partner takes a hit and looses money.

I have close personal friends at manufacturers who know all the costing and know for a fact at these new prices with funding from AMD the board partners are now loosing money.


Also to compete with competitors following our pricing I've lowered our 5870 price and anyone who placed an order for one, call our sales to refund the difference.

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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 10:07   #66
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That is an insane price! I paid 192 for my 5850 in September

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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 10:08   #67
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the thing is they only want to clear the stock of 5870 as 6950 and 6970 coming and nobody will buy 5870 when they come so they dont care if they selling for a loss they could even sell them for 100 ~ 150.

they probably selling it now at 100 so i will be not surprise if ocuk will lover them even lower maybe when 69** come out they will lover them for 150

edit: i seen that price change from 187 to 179 :P

do they even have voltage control ?

the thing is why ocuk when i log in price changes from UK VAT to Ireland VAT even the store located is in uk i should pay only UK VAT no Irelands. other stores dont do that and it works out cheaper to buy it from them.

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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 10:22   #68
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Great price when you consider two of these in Crossfire will comfortably better a GTX580 for less money. I guess there are a lot of 5870's in the pipeline and ATI needs to clear stock whilst they can. I remember 4890 & GTX280 prices dropping like stones after release of 58xx/4xx series.

Do these VTX 5870's overclock, or have they been handicapped like the V2 5850's were?
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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 10:23   #69
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the thing is they only want to clear the stock of 5870 as 6950 and 6970 coming and nobody will buy 5870 when they come so they dont care if they selling for a loss they could even sell them for 100 ~ 150.

they probably selling it now at 100 so i will be not surprise if ocuk will lover them even lower maybe when 69** come out they will lover them for 150

edit: i seen that price change from 187 to 179 :P

do they even have voltage control ?


Thats rubbish!

I have 6950 and 6970 stock shipping and I've paid for it.

I can tell you now the pricing will be:-

6950 @ 270 - 300 Inc. VAT
6970 @ 360 - 400 inc. VAT

I have lots en-route.

Now the 5870's are sub 200, thats 100 cheaper than a 6950 and same price as a 6870.

People will and are buying 5870's now they are sub 200 because at sub 200 there is no faster card.

5870 won't be going 150 or lower, what would be the point, as then 6850/6870 would not sell.

Plus if you think 69xx cards are gonna be 200 then think again and look at my pricing above, again use common sense, why would 6950 be same price as a 6870?

6950 competes with GTX 570/480 and is priced similar.
6970 competes with GTX 580 and is priced similar.

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well if 69** will be at those prices then yea 5870 is really good card for that price to buy it then. anyway can u answer my VAt question Gibbo

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Clearing stock for a lower price is not loosing money........not clearing stock at all is loosing money.

Thanks for the good info Gibbo.

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190 is a total bargain for one of these.

Makes me question why anyone would buy a 6870
Better Xfire scaling

Lower power

Less heat

Less noise

Running 975/1150 gives me 5870 performance

DP 1.2

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Better Xfire scaling

Lower power

Less heat

Less noise

Running 975/1150 gives me 5870 performance

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Does a 5870 not overclock then?

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well if 69** will be at those prices then yea 5870 is really good card for that price to buy it then. anyway can u answer my VAt question Gibbo

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Unfortunately on that side of the business I am clueless sorry m8.

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Does a 5870 not overclock then?
The 5870 is a good card

Just highlighting the new tech of the 6xxx the improved xfire was enough reason for me to get a 6870 in the end.

You got those adaptors yet?

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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 10:39   #76
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If i was buying now and i still had my 4870, i would get this.
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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 10:39   #77
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well as far as I'm concerned I am so tempted, but I'm tight, so If there's any chance to go even cheaper...I have to wait
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Thats rubbish!

I have 6950 and 6970 stock shipping and I've paid for it.

I can tell you now the pricing will be:-

6950 @ 270 - 300 Inc. VAT
6970 @ 360 - 400 inc. VAT

I have lots en-route.

Now the 5870's are sub 200, thats 100 cheaper than a 6950 and same price as a 6870.

People will and are buying 5870's now they are sub 200 because at sub 200 there is no faster card.

5870 won't be going 150 or lower, what would be the point, as then 6850/6870 would not sell.

Plus if you think 69xx cards are gonna be 200 then think again and look at my pricing above, again use common sense, why would 6950 be same price as a 6870?

6950 competes with GTX 570/480 and is priced similar.
6970 competes with GTX 580 and is priced similar.
Sorry for the hijack Gibbo, but do you have any ideas of quantities yet for the 69XX or indeed the forthcoming 570s? I'm itching to buy but won't be able to for another 2 weeks I'd guess.
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Great price when you consider two of these in Crossfire will comfortably better a GTX580 for less money. I guess there are a lot of 5870's in the pipeline and ATI needs to clear stock whilst they can. I remember 4890 & GTX280 prices dropping like stones after release of 58xx/4xx series.

Do these VTX 5870's overclock, or have they been handicapped like the V2 5850's were?
V2 5850's weren't handicapped i have mine comfortably sitting at 950/1200

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well as far as I'm concerned I am so tempted, but I'm tight, so If there's any chance to go even cheaper...I have to wait
It was 300...
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It was 300...
lol well anyone would be really upset If they were buyig something and a week later it's cheaper
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Is the stock number accurate, it is still showing 10?
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Really is a toss up between a GTX 470 and this for me. Both at around 190 pounds, so that's a damn close tie. For some reason I just don't trust the whole "we're selling cheap because we're nice" thing, and there's no reason a 5870 couldn't still sell at 250+ even after the new 6XXX series is finished, since they don't make the existing cards any worse.
Either I'd be better off with a quality EVGA Nvidia than this, or 5870 prices are about to take a serious nose dive after the holidays. That's my wager at least.
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nice price but youd be bonkers to buy a card now, wait 2-3 weeks, then weigh it all up
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Is XFX any better?
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Is the stock number accurate, it is still showing 10?
Our stock numbers only go upto 10+

I got 150 units in yesterday, 104 units left today.

Stock number will only change once they drop to sub 10 units.

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Is XFX any better?
Hard to say.

The games make the XFX better value, Dirt 2 and AVP and its only 10 more.


But both have 2yr warranty.

However the VTX card is quieter, due to larger diameter fan.

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ok cheers
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this is not for me that kind or ordeal...I'm already indecisive...so it's making things even harder
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Hard to say.

The games make the XFX better value, Dirt 2 and AVP and its only 10 more.


But both have 2yr warranty.

However the VTX card is quieter, due to larger diameter fan.
Is the warranty with the VTX with you for the whole duration of the warranty or with them for the second year? I can't even find a website for their products!
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