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companies love it when people don't talk about salary as it allows them to take the p.... and get away with it.
years ago my boss heard me talking to a colleague who was also a friend about salary. she threatened to take me to HR and put me o. disciplinary. I politely told her to do one. my salary my choice.
she said it was in my contract it was confidential. she may have been right I dunno and didn't care.
due to when the person I was chatting to was employed they were on considerably more than me.
they had less experience , no better qualifications and I was training them.
other stories like this came about between other people. it turned out on top of when we were employed (with longer serving staff being shafted) also turned out despite doing the same job depending on who your manager was and how pally you were with them affected your salary by £1000s.
there was a big internal pay review with people threatening to walk out and complain about the company. I got a £3000 pay rise overnight despite not getting a promotion . (this was huge - I was on about £13k at the time - note am going back 25 years.
sometimes some transparency (not exact figures) at least among your peers can help you

I've said this in open groups where question is "should we talk more about our salaries"

As I've changed jobs so much my salary has bumped. Was talking to someone 3 jobs ago and it came up. If I'm asked in happy to say. He had no idea how badly he was paid. He was absolutely capable of more.

If I had been told how badly science was paid before uni, maybe I wouldn't have wasted my time doing that course.


Hiding salaries only benefits corporations. They can easily keep people pinned down when: Dave joins on a higher, but Betty, who's worked there 20 years doing exactly the same job, with no pay rise isn't allowed to talk about it.
This happened with in my very first job. One woman had worked there basically her entire life. Never really had a pay rise (scummy company) managed to find out new junior she supervised was on more than her.. You can imagine it kicked off.
 
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There was an advert for electric blankets on telly the other day. A woman came home and the thermostat showed 16.5c, so she put on her leccy blanket.

It's fair to say my wife and I had differing views on this.
we are fortunate enough to not have to worry about heating bills. BUT I am still really careful with them. my wife gets really peed off with me sometimes and when she is home she gets her way. but when I WFH I never used the heating . I have a hot water bottle and a heated blanket which I use as a body wrap.

the thing is , if I was skint that would be framed as it being disgraceful that people can't heat their homes (and don't get me wrong it IS). but at the same time there isn't much point heating a whole room if you are the only one in it if a 200w heated blanket and a hot water bottle can do the same job (regardless.of how much money you have)

maybe everyone should have a heated blanket and think twice about putting the gas heating on, esp if they are home alone. (but at the same time you need to be careful and have airflow and some heat to minimise black mould)
 
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I am happy to be transparent. I've estimated changes to total comp over 12 years.

2012. 22k +0 pension....(crap company).
2013. 35k +4k pens
2014. 37k +5k pens
2015. 42k +5k pens
2016. 55k +6k pens
2017. 60k + 6k pens
2018. 64k +7k pens
2019. 67k +8k pens
2020. 75k. +9k pens
2021. 83k +10k pens+ 5k divs
2022. 123k + 12k pens + 6k divs
2023. 153k +13k pens+ 7k divs
2024. 166k +14k pens 9k divs

Have a few other income streams that add about 5-6k, but that's about it. In addition to my employer contribution I put in another 26k to my pension. Will up that this year.

I work hard, am reasonably intelligent, got some luck which I made the most of. I'm not special. In certain industries big jumps in a short window are possible.
 
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I am happy to be transparent. I've estimated changes to total comp over 12 years.

2012. 22k +0 pension....(crap company).
2013. 35k +4k pens
2014. 37k +5k pens
2015. 42k +5k pens
2016. 55k +6k pens
2017. 60k + 6k pens
2018. 64k +7k pens
2019. 67k +8k pens
2020. 75k. +9k pens
2021. 83k +10k pens+ 5k divs
2022. 123k + 12k pens + 6k divs
2023. 153k +13k pens+ 7k divs
2024. 166k +14k pens 9k divs

Have a few other income streams that add about 5-6k, but that's about it. In addition to my employer contribution I put in another 26k to my pension. Will up that this year.

I work hard, am reasonably intelligent, got some luck which I made the most of. I'm not special. In certain industries big jumps in a short window are possible.
Curious if you could mention when you moved company vs stayed at a company?
 
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I think I'll be 1 of the lowest incomes here, my income is about £13k, I'm in receipt of disability benefit for a serious long term health condition and don't work although I'm now in the process of being helped to get back into work part time at first as my health has improved. My outgoings are very low, no mortgage etc. I own a £15k car and £15k motorbike, I'm never "skint". Edit: my outgoings aren't that low actually, I pay quite expensive vehicle insurance + vehicle tax.
 
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I’ll be honest and say that money wasn’t an incentive for me, this may have changed in the recent years.

Left university and knew I didn’t want a role in the specialist area that I’ve studied for, software engineering.. so I given a job that I would have been able to do straight from college.

Only thing that kept me at the job was the debts that I mounted up at university. Didn’t really save, didn’t take the option for a company pension. It was really work and party at the weekends and buying Gucci belts for the weekend. Slow wage growth, on some poor salary and wanted to work poor hours to bring in more income, just to **** it up the wall.

Spent far to long at the company and sort of left after 7 years, as I got TUPE’d, left and rejoin as a new employee into a division/department which I knew it was closing down, which it did after two years. But during those two years I managed to save as it was the highest amount that I’ve ever been paid. Never regretted the move as I knew it was the best exit strategy I could engineer from the company.

It wasn’t a waste of 9 years, built up a lot of experience and qualifications which is still favourable today, just that my wealth level was near zero for most of it.

Spent a year out of work mainly by choice, spending most of the savings.. so yeah back to square one.

then took a job at a college on poorer salary than my previous role. Thought i would enjoy working in education but the slow moving environment and politics drove me mad.. the fact that they wanted me to do a specialist role yet wouldn’t engage in the idea of paying me any different from the non specialist people in the department was the straw. But importantly I started a DB pension.

Left and moved location to a different part of the uk to work for a charity for 6 years. I mainly enjoyed working there even thou the money was at the basic level probably uk average salary for all of it. I formed roots and really thought I would be there for the foreseeable future. Managed to save and was finally living debt free (those student loans lol) until I took a mortgage to purchased a house. I wouldn’t have managed this without help from family and renting in a below average price property. Even thou I had offers to leave and earn much more money, I stayed..

Anyway office politics got in the way and I left to work at a university on pretty much the same amount that I was earning before. The pension scheme at the university pretty much made me poorer than before on a monthly basis.

Then I received a job offer from a place, this was the third time we been in contact with each other, the second time that they reached out to me and it was a now or never situation.

They ask how much I wanted to be paid, I asked for a 15% percent uplift based on public vs private sector and other similar jobs in the specialist area, sector and responsibility.

Looking at the pay scale of the university it would have taken me 10 years to get to the grade that would be on the amount that I asked for and that’s if the opportunities appear but I didn’t hear back for weeks.

I thought I had over reached on the salary uplift… but they called back in inform me that they recruitment process was extremely slow and that they was processing the paper work to make me an offer with a 25% uplift.

A few years later and here I am.. I’m in a financial situation that I thought was never possible. Any differences between my current salary and my last salary is getting placed into my pension, early repayment in the mortgage, company shares, the stock market and savings.

My pension fund is still in a poor state and even thou stocks/savings is looking much more healthy than ever before, I need to try and cut down spending further to get closer to the retirement that I want.

Do I enjoy working? Hell no.. but I never really enjoyed working anywhere.. so why not get paid more for it. The plan is to work here for at least the next 4 years, until my mortgage is back up for renewal, by that time I will have my mortgage down to an amount that I may be able to pay off; if I liquidate everything.

But I will reflect and think if I want/can carry on like this for the next 5 years to pay off the mortgage and keeping that money invested, or if I should try and find a less demanding role and spread the payments out over a longer period.

After that it’s a different ball game.. I definitely won’t make it to the official retirement age at the place/role that I’m working in at the moment, the plan is to take early retirement when it’s finically possible to live off investment for a period before the pensions kick in. Maybe take a less demanding position/part time work in my later years that I don’t mind doing pass my retirement age just to keep active.
 
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UAE was always interesting but I know it'd never be a long term place and morally I couldn't square it. Know quite a few people that did a stint over there and all happy to leave. Hopefully you enjoy more!



I found the nature of the work changed profoundly from "bau" or day to day stuff that needed to be done to something more strategically focused whether it was managing departments rather than a team, mid term vision than day to day work with errors, having clear reporting structure and impact upon company. I would hazard a guess that a lot of that is universal no? I acknowledge that some people would find that more stressful but for me its not the case as i described. I can be confident in developing my vision than having 100% excellence in every minutiae.

as for your second point yes and no. Yes they get **** upon if an agreed path is not delivered but this is common expectation? Ive worked in places that only expect absolute best. It's a dog eat dog world. Plenty of downsides and seen a lot of people burnout. The upside for those than handle it and thrive is a level of money that most people only dream off. Seems a fair trade off to me.

No in the sense that I'm the one that gets the beating if my overall strategy doesn't work out that's on me. So I do the best I can and people that work for me do the best they can do. Works out pretty well.



how much has your lifestyle creep been from 40 to 500?
It's deffo not a long-term place for us either. Hopefully 6 years or so here buys us a house and rental in the UK, and helps us avoid eye-watering childcare costs of incoming children in the next year or so. We're hoping by early 40s to be mortgage-free with decent passive income. Short term pain for long term gain. It just help that we do both love it here (thankfully we're not in Dubai - that's a horrible place!)
 
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Have a few other income streams that add about 5-6k, but that's about it. In addition to my employer contribution I put in another 26k to my pension. Will up that this year.

I work hard, am reasonably intelligent, got some luck which I made the most of. I'm not special. In certain industries big jumps in a short window are possible.
What do you do just being nosey :p
IT something?
 
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Moved in 2012, haven't changed companies since. I'm in my 5th role at my current employer.

That's insane. I've never seen wage growth within a company before.
Congrats on your career. Tad jealous. Well. More disappointed in myself because I've got the intelligence, but I don't have the drive.

Probably as I've never really loved what I do. Which is what holds me back.

I totally wasted my 20s. Not just career. But in every way.

Edit. Reading that last bit sounds so grim!
 
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I’ll be honest and say that money wasn’t an incentive for me, this may have changed in the recent years.

Left university and knew I didn’t want a role in the specialist area that I’ve studied for, software engineering.. so I given a job that I would have been able to do straight from college.

Only thing that kept me at the job was the debts that I mounted up at university. Didn’t really save, didn’t take the option for a company pension. It was really work and party at the weekends and buying Gucci belts for the weekend. Slow wage growth, on some poor salary and wanted to work poor hours to bring in more income, just to **** it up the wall.

Spent far to long at the company and sort of left after 7 years, as I got TUPE’d, left and rejoin as a new employee into a division/department which I knew it was closing down, which it did after two years. But during those two years I managed to save as it was the highest amount that I’ve ever been paid. Never regretted the move as I knew it was the best exit strategy I could engineer from the company.

It wasn’t a waste of 9 years, built up a lot of experience and qualifications which is still favourable today, just that my wealth level was near zero for most of it.

Spent a year out of work mainly by choice, spending most of the savings.. so yeah back to square one.

then took a job at a college on poorer salary than my previous role. Thought i would enjoy working in education but the slow moving environment and politics drove me mad.. the fact that they wanted me to do a specialist role yet wouldn’t engage in the idea of paying me any different from the non specialist people in the department was the straw. But importantly I started a DB pension.

Left and moved location to a different part of the uk to work for a charity for 6 years. I mainly enjoyed working there even thou the money was at the basic level probably uk average salary for all of it. I formed roots and really thought I would be there for the foreseeable future. Managed to save and was finally living debt free (those student loans lol) until I took a mortgage to purchased a house. I wouldn’t have managed this without help from family and renting in a below average price property. Even thou I had offers to leave and earn much more money, I stayed..

Anyway office politics got in the way and I left to work at a university on pretty much the same amount that I was earning before. The pension scheme at the university pretty much made me poorer than before on a monthly basis.

Then I received a job offer from a place, this was the third time we been in contact with each other, the second time that they reached out to me and it was a now or never situation.

They ask how much I wanted to be paid, I asked for a 15% percent uplift based on public vs private sector and other similar jobs in the specialist area, sector and responsibility.

Looking at the pay scale of the university it would have taken me 10 years to get to the grade that would be on the amount that I asked for and that’s if the opportunities appear but I didn’t hear back for weeks.

I thought I had over reached on the salary uplift… but they called back in inform me that they recruitment process was extremely slow and that they was processing the paper work to make me an offer with a 25% uplift.

A few years later and here I am.. I’m in a financial situation that I thought was never possible. Any differences between my current salary and my last salary is getting placed into my pension, early repayment in the mortgage, company shares, the stock market and savings.

My pension fund is still in a poor state and even thou stocks/savings is looking much more healthy than ever before, I need to try and cut down spending further to get closer to the retirement that I want.

Do I enjoy working? Hell no.. but I never really enjoyed working anywhere.. so why not get paid more for it. The plan is to work here for at least the next 4 years, until my mortgage is back up for renewal, by that time I will have my mortgage down to an amount that I may be able to pay off; if I liquidate everything.

But I will reflect and think if I want/can carry on like this for the next 5 years to pay off the mortgage and keeping that money invested, or if I should try and find a less demanding role and spread the payments out over a longer period.

After that it’s a different ball game.. I definitely won’t make it to the official retirement age at the place/role that I’m working in at the moment, the plan is to take early retirement when it’s finically possible to live off investment for a period before the pensions kick in. Maybe take a less demanding position/part time work in my later years that I don’t mind doing pass my retirement age just to keep active.

Congrats. Seems like you had quite the journey! Deffo not your average "10 year plan" that people seem to try and plan for.
 
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Congrats. Seems like you had quite the journey! Deffo not your average "10 year plan" that people seem to try and plan for.
Thanks,
Yeah.. planing to have over 100k in savings and investments alone, not including pension in 7 years and planning to pay of the house in sub 10.
By then I'll be in my mid 50s and looking to sunset myself... lol

I've had my fill of going out, wasting money on stuff I don't need.. I have designer clothes with the price tage still on them.. lol
Everyone is telling me to replace my car, even get a new merc from the EV scheme at work but I've had Beemers, Mercs and Audis and my rusty VW (if I can get it fixed) does the same, gets me from A to B.
 
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we are fortunate enough to not have to worry about heating bills. BUT I am still really careful with them. my wife gets really peed off with me sometimes and when she is home she gets her way. but when I WFH I never used the heating . I have a hot water bottle and a heated blanket which I use as a body wrap.

the thing is , if I was skint that would be framed as it being disgraceful that people can't heat their homes (and don't get me wrong it IS). but at the same time there isn't much point heating a whole room if you are the only one in it if a 200w heated blanket and a hot water bottle can do the same job (regardless.of how much money you have)

maybe everyone should have a heated blanket and think twice about putting the gas heating on, esp if they are home alone. (but at the same time you need to be careful and have airflow and some heat to minimise black mould)

A heated blanket and a hot water bottle do not do the same job as central heating.....
 
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That's insane. I've never seen wage growth within a company before.
Congrats on your career. Tad jealous. Well. More disappointed in myself because I've got the intelligence, but I don't have the drive.

Probably as I've never really loved what I do. Which is what holds me back.

I totally wasted my 20s. Not just career. But in every way.

Edit. Reading that last bit sounds so grim!
Grim in what way?
 
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What do you do just being nosey :p
IT something?
Qualified as accountant a bit late (30) having picked up finance at 27. Worked in company A in junior finance roles up to management accountant.

At company B I progressed to a senior finance position and now design the performance framework for a worldwide ERP program.
 
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Spending an entire decade doing basically nothing, career, personal life etc is pretty grim.
Especially your 20s. Which are supposed to be a good one!

It could say I wasted my 20s... but it's a learning curve, the experince and memories will always stay with you while the Gucci belts have long been binned.
 
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