got a third worth bothing with masters?

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Requiring a degree really just helps them filter out a certain number of potential applicants.

It doesn't sound like it is any useful sort of filter if they accept any class of degree from any subject and any institution... i

might as well not bother with the degree requirement in the first place in that instance

in fact they could probably get a smaller, better candidate pool by using A-Level results as the filter and ignoring the degree or lack of degree
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but, ultimately the drive has to come from him. Ive know people who got firsts who haven't left their student job 5 years after graduation and known others, myself included, that didn't take university seriously and came out with poor results who have forged careers for themselves.
 
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As others have already suggested, i imagine he'd struggle to get onto a masters course and i would assume that line of work would demand very high grades.

Has he an interest in anything? Sounds like a chat might be needed to get an idea of what he'd be willing to try. The problem with "just getting a job" is that he could end up on a non-career path and doing something he can't stand for the rest of his life.
 
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in fact they could probably get a smaller, better candidate pool by using A-Level results as the filter and ignoring the degree or lack of degree

Possibly, but that might potentially put off people looking for a 'graduate scheme'. There isn't really a common name for career paths 'jobs requiring good A-level results' whereas people will likely search for graduate schemes as (rightly or wrongly) that is what they have been indoctrinated to aspire to.
 
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Possibly, but that might potentially put off people looking for a 'graduate scheme'. There isn't really a common name for career paths 'jobs requiring good A-level results' whereas people will likely search for graduate schemes as (rightly or wrongly) that is what they have been indoctrinated to aspire to.

Makes it sound better than apprenticeships for both but the career effect is largely the same. The term has been somewhat devalued by people using it for some quick, disposable and low-paid labour, however.
 
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Possibly, but that might potentially put off people looking for a 'graduate scheme'. There isn't really a common name for career paths 'jobs requiring good A-level results' whereas people will likely search for graduate schemes as (rightly or wrongly) that is what they have been indoctrinated to aspire to.

no reason why you can't also market it as 'graduate scheme' in some quarters too if you think there is a marketing issue

I think washing cars all day would put people off more tbh...

reality is that a lot of graduate schemes don't really require graduates... at best they're using a degree as a crude filter but in cases where they're not interested in the subject, institution or even degree result it is an utterly pointless filter - it seems like more of a marketing gimmick to attract people desperate for a job
 
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Will they even let him on a Masters with a third? The Masters course I'm looking at stipulates a 2:1 or higher or MASSES of previous industry experience.
 
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A post grad is much more self taught rather than under grad, if he's only managed a third with a tutor he's going to struggle on his own, it is by no means impossible but will need a lot of work.
 
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Every Masters I looked at required at least a 2:1.

Interestingly we had very few people get a third when I was at uni - generally those that would have dropped out by the final year or were booted out.

Also ffs...you had to do his work for him? That's pathetic. It really is. Sounds like he needs a handy helping of grow the hell up and take responsibility.
 
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Most of the Masters courses run by the OU just require a Bachelor's degree, sometimes with Honours. I just looked at about 10 different subjects and the only one that a 3rd wouldn't qualify for was Mathematics. Of course, in the case of the OP who's son wants to work in a lab, distance learning maybe not the best option. For people like me with Honours degrees at a low classification, the OU is a great way of topping up to postgraduate level. There's a little bit of smoke-and-mirrors possible then, in that (as highlighted by posts in this thread), there is an assumption by some people that anyone with a Masters must have got at least a 2nd, so you can kinda obfuscate the poor result to some extent.
 
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Most of the Masters courses run by the OU just require a Bachelor's degree, sometimes with Honours. I just looked at about 10 different subjects and the only one that a 3rd wouldn't qualify for was Mathematics. Of course, in the case of the OP who's son wants to work in a lab, distance learning maybe not the best option. For people like me with Honours degrees at a low classification, the OU is a great way of topping up to postgraduate level. There's a little bit of smoke-and-mirrors possible then, in that (as highlighted by posts in this thread), there is an assumption by some people that anyone with a Masters must have got at least a 2nd, so you can kinda obfuscate the poor result to some extent.

There's also night study if you're in London, but the OU serves its purpose for everything else (London International Programme -- UoL's distance learning setup -- is really not for people who struggle with organising their workload, as it is predominantly based around exams).

Even that restriction for Maths is fairly recent, from what I can tell. At permitting a 3rd, their completion rates had statistically plummeted to an unsustainable level. The department was already under pressure to steady its profile out and the new fees regime brought the matter to the fore.

Looking at how they've been expanding content on earlier courses, and reviewing the postgrad modules, it's safe to say they'll be penalising hobbyists in favour of younger students, with at least some A levels to their names, going forward. Expect a heavier emphasis on more cite-able applications and stats, too. Whether this attempt to massage standards succeeds in making the OU rise on par with Bath, Heriot-Watt and Warwick, just to take a few institutions of a similar age as unis, with a good maths department, is yet to be seen. Really depends on what they wish to specialise in and what staff they plan to hire; the latter being their main problem: too small, and, unlike outliers like Dundee or Pompey, too generalist (particularly if you include the educators, historians and all the theoretical physics bods filling out the ranks).

/end mini rant
 
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