Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [9th - 13th March 2024]

[Robbo]

To save Baz posting it

How did the VAR fail to give Liverpool a late penalty against Man City?

Should Liverpool have been awarded a late penalty against Manchester City? Did the VAR have any grounds to advise Arsenal's Kai Havertz should have been sent off?

www.espn.com

Main points -

• A key factor is Oliver's clear, unobstructed view. If he's seen the high boot, the touch on the ball and on Mac Allister, and has judged minimal contact with the boot not to be enough for a spot kick, then there's not really anywhere for the VAR to go for a review when there's such a high bar.
  
  
• Challenges made inside the area are judged to a higher threshold. To say "it's a foul anywhere else on the pitch" has merit, but that doesn't change the fact that the game isn't refereed that way because a penalty is a greater punishment than a free kick. Think of it as the burden of proof; inside the area a referee feels he must be even more certain of his decision as a goal-scoring chance is the result.
  
  
• Liverpool have also had such judgements go in their favour. The panel said that the referee was wrong to give Dominik Szoboszlai a penalty against Bournemouth, and Diogo Jota shouldn't have been awarded a spot kick against Newcastle -- but neither were sufficiently wrong to be overturned on review.

 

[BaZ87]

Main points -

You missed this one which was probably the main point:

• There are clear grounds for this to be a penalty. A high foot (above the waist) with contact is usually seen as a direct free kick, or a penalty if inside the area. Indeed, if this was in a European league there wouldn't even be a discussion about the VAR intervention.

It was clearly a foul and a penalty and it will no doubt be recorded as an error when the PL's panel looks at it and or Webb is sign languaging on Sky next month.

 

[Martynt74]

I would say it's a no brainer penalty, it's a shame VAR can't interfere really when it 's such a big decision. Although i do enjoy the fact it annoys the Liverpool fans!

Interesting discussion with a mate this morning. Probably never going to happen, but after he was unaware of the double jeopardy rule around a Pen = No Red Card and i cleared it up, we decided a better option would be to give the opposition a choice between Indirect Free Kick and a Red Card, or Penalty and Yellow card.

Would be interesting to see the tactics change depending on time of match and score at the time.

 

[robfosters]

These are the supposed wage bills for 23/24 Premier league season

1. Manchester United – £205,756,000
2. Manchester City – £200,668,000
3. Arsenal – £166,036,000
4. Chelsea – £155,324,000
5. Liverpool – £136,240,000
7. Tottenham – £117,520,000
6. Aston Villa – £117,000,000
8. West Ham United – £95,316,000
9. Newcastle United – £84,500,000
10. Everton – £78,978,000
11. Nottingham Forest – £72,050,000
12. Crystal Palace – £69,050,000
13. Fulham – £64,610,000
14. Brighton – £62,400,000
15. Wolves – £53,820,000
16. Bournemouth – £53,794,000
17. Brentford – £39,936,000
18. Burnley – £38,506,000
19. Sheffield United – £28,756,800
20. Luton Town – £24,570,000

 

[The_One]

Man utds

 

[BaZ87]

These are the supposed wage bills for 23/24 Premier league season

They're not.

 

[Thekwango]

Man utds

The return on investment must be huge

 

[robfosters]

They're not.

And how do you know this?

 

[Sui]

Nothing is official until accounts are published, they’re just a guess at the moment.

 

[BaZ87]

And how do you know this?

Common sense. City's wage bill for last season was over £400m, Liverpool's £370m, Utd's and Chelsea were both well over £300m too. Do you really think City's wages have reduced by 50%, Liverpool's by 2/3's etc? In the case of Utd, they publish quarterly accounts and in the 1st quarter of this season they paid out over £90m in wages and this typically increases quarter by quarter - their wages will be close to £400m this season.

 

[CliffyG]

Ederson out for 4 weeks apparently. How good is their 2nd keeper?

 

[The_One]

Ederson out for 4 weeks apparently. How good is their 2nd keeper?

Hes class

 

[CliffyG]

Hes class

That's a shame.

 

[JamesH85]

How we line up tonight!

Lot's of energy in that team.

 

[woppy101]

And how do you know this?

They are well out, Newcastle’s wage bill was close to £185m last season, what you put there could be basic wages without bonuses or possibly wages after taxes.

 

[Bigpig]

How we line up tonight!

Lot's of energy in that team.

Barnes injured :/

 

[Irish_Tom]

Barnes injured :/

“Minor hamstring injury”… how minor is “‘minor”?

 

[Flaevius]

I thought I saw something recently which showed City and Liverpool having loads more. I can't find it and it appears I was talking rubbish as everything says the opposite.

Post #229 on the FFP thread:

Just what were talking about, doesn’t look too bad for Newcastle, I though our wages to turnover was higher than 75%, it will probably be a little higher as it won’t take into account Bruno’s new contract or Tonali’s signing

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764989054427226248

 

[Bigpig]

Barnes injured :/

@Irish_Tom
Knowing our luck out till 2025!!!

 

[Vandle]

Not sure which Newcastle team will turn up tonight. Hopefully it’s not the one we saw in that there London last time out.