Mortgage Rate Rises

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OK just proportionally for my income it's not significant. The 900 figure you've taken is 600 off an account that I would use for grocery expenditure also so you'd have that going weekly/monthly anyway.

If someone's income was a lot lower then yes maybe an issue. If you are semi competent and/or reasonable income to outgoings or save a lot it requires minimal thinking.

In 10 years I've not had any issues but like all things in life your mileage may vary.

It works very well if you've got a high income /good budgeting and or use it to offset high cost items (eg car purchase, house renovations).
I wouldnt call the equivalent of the UK average mortage payment insignificant for the average person. Granted you are fine, i would be as well, but it is important to discuss these things when talking about stoozing and how it really isnt as straight forward as just build up **** loads of CC debt on interest free cards and lolz free money!

A new car upgrade soon might make this an option rather than buying outright it might be worth finding a card to pay for it on.
 
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No I’ve not missunderstood the task at all. For the task to work and not fail you very much have to be able to service the debt. If you don’t have sight of that then you are much more likely to fail.

If you can’t afford £250/£500/£1000 per month then you can’t afford it, regardless of if that is to put in savings of spend on mmp’s, so if you can’t afford that then you can’t service the debt.

I wouldn’t call £900 a month a minor flaw to over look when the impact of screwing that up just once can remove the entire benefit of stoozing.

Your missing it. Say you get a 3 month card (silly short term to just talk through a simple example).
Month 1, you spend £1000, you save £1000. You would have had to pay the £1000 off via debit/normal credit card so you have £1000 more free cashflow than not using the 0% card.
Mnoth 2, you spend £1000, pay £50 in minimum payment. Save £950. Net debt £1950, net savings £1950
Month 3, you spend £1000, pay £100 minimum, save £900. Net debt £2850, net savings £2850.
Month 4, you close the savings and pay the debt.
At some point you will gain interest on the amount that sat in savings.

An extreme example would be where your minimum payments were matching your spending. At that point your net savings is unchanged, your net debt is unchanged.
But, you would have a large amount in savings matching your net debt. (Plus of course at some point interest getting added).
If above £1000 was monthly spend and minimum was 5% then you could have 1000/5% = £20k of debt interest free whilst the same £20k was earning interest in savings.

Unless you had strange spending habits its basically impossible for your outstanding debt to require minimum payments above the amount you would have had to pay if you were not using the 0% card.
 
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No I’ve not missunderstood the task at all. For the task to work and not fail you very much have to be able to service the debt. If you don’t have sight of that then you are much more likely to fail.

If you can’t afford £250/£500/£1000 per month then you can’t afford it, regardless of if that is to put in savings of spend on mmp’s, so if you can’t afford that then you can’t service the debt.

I wouldn’t call £900 a month a minor flaw to over look when the impact of screwing that up just once can remove the entire benefit of stoozing.


It does not require that you have an income, and when i stoozed it was when i was 16 or so, on my dads cards, then on my cards when i was 18, ending at 2009 or so.

I was unemployed the entire time.

You simply withdraw the money from savings to have enough for minimum payments, and try to increase overall debt with new cards continuously.
 
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Looks like this might be a useful tool for my next car purchase - I don't think I spend enough day to day to make the interest gained worth the hassle really.
 
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Let's have an article on why rates have crept up again lately then

Swap rates on the rise again .

I'm still hopeful of a 0.25 drop in June or July . Richie fulfills his promise of lowering interest rates , stopping the boats and lowering inflation where upon he then calls a general election .


And they go back up later in the year when the city looses any faith in labour government. Just after a tax raid on pension pots.
 
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It does not require that you have an income, and when i stoozed it was when i was 16 or so, on my dads cards, then on my cards when i was 18, ending at 2009 or so.

I was unemployed the entire time.

You simply withdraw the money from savings to have enough for minimum payments, and try to increase overall debt with new cards continuously.
Erm what???

If you have no income and are spending money on interest free cards, where is the money that you are putting in to savings coming from?
 
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Erm what???

If you have no income and are spending money on interest free cards, where is the money that you are putting in to savings coming from?
He had the cash to cover the expenses in his current account. He chose to spend on the cc. This really isn't complicated dude :cry:
 
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He had the cash to cover the expenses in his current account. He chose to spend on the cc. This really isn't complicated dude :cry:

He’s picking up on the fact that this 16 year old with no income somehow has savings to make the minimum monthly payment from, while at the same time lowering the interest he’ll get from those same savings which defeats the entire object of the game.
 
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Erm what???

If you have no income and are spending money on interest free cards, where is the money that you are putting in to savings coming from?

I did it via money transfer in those days, but my main point is that "servicing the debt", is not relevant ,that only applies if you spend the money, with stoozing you are not spending the money, you are taking it and putting it in savings to earn margin.
 
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He’s picking up on the fact that this 16 year old with no income somehow has savings to make the minimum monthly payment from, while at the same time lowering the interest he’ll get from those same savings which defeats the entire object of the game.
The minimum monthly payment will still leave plenty in savings for it to be worthwhile. I can either spend 5k today or ~2k (minimum payments total) over 2 years and then clear it all at the end.

How the 16yo got the money in the first place is irrelevant to stoozing.
 
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The minimum monthly payment will still leave plenty in savings for it to be worthwhile. I can either spend 5k today or ~2k (minimum payments total) over 2 years and then clear it all at the end.

How the 16yo got the money in the first place is irrelevant to stoozing.

Surely you want as much in savings as possible - using those same savings to service the debt is just stupid, you’re still losing money.
 
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Surely you want as much in savings as possible - using those same savings to service the debt is just stupid, you’re still losing money.
No it isn't stupid because it still makes money vs. not make money. In fact it'll probably be comparable as you start with the full capital balance earning interest.

E.g. instead of buying a 6k car with my savings I buy it on credit. I have 6k continue to earn interest.

On my m&s card the minimum payment is only 140 on 6k. So at the end of the period excluding the reduction in mmp (so it'd be better than this) I'd still have 3.4k locked in savings.
 
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If you put the money into easy access savings (as opposed to say buying lottery tickets) and never miss a payment it's impossible to lose money doing this.

I agree with a previous poster this is off topic for the mortgage thread, maybe post further queries into the credit card thread sure that's still kicking around.
 
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I think the other thing worth mentioning about stoozing is that it's not an immediate income boost. You could take the monthly interest out I guess and use as an income boost but then you'd earn slightly less returns due to the lack of compounding. So whilst you are earning money from this process, the actual income boost is pushed a couple years away in time if you want to maximise it.

How quick will you guys doing this fall foul of tax on the interest amount?
 
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