Yeah, thats a sad fact many are pulling that stunt.
Im not sure in the UK but I read in the US. People are just quitting for this reason.
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Yeah, thats a sad fact many are pulling that stunt.
Im not sure in the UK but I read in the US. People are just quitting for this reason.
Same in most jobs. Employers offering mediocre wages but want a long list of skills and expectations. Then wonder why there is no loyalty and people jump ship on a whim.
It's why productivity is so low now. People are thinking what's the point, just do the bare minimum at work and focus on the social life instead. If an important report is a bit late or half arsed, oh well. You get what you pay for.
It's why productivity is so low now. People are thinking what's the point, just do the bare minimum at work and focus on the social life instead. If an important report is a bit late or half arsed, oh well. You get what you pay for.
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Guilty as charged!
I am in my 3rd month of my 6th job Ive had since 2019.
My previous boss, who was the company owner had a tantrum when I gave him one week notice after being there 11 months. Wasn't willing to pay me more so I went to a job offering 10k more
Unlucky for him he was running a bunch of contracts which required a minimum staffing level, but ofc he didn't hire any extra staff as a buffer. So me quitting caused the company to be in breach of contract and corporate customers walked.
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I quit my last job because of this.They thought I wouldn't. WFH saves lot of money, has reduced my stress, I sleep longer and I can have more hours for myself. I feel pretty good.
At lot of employer's don't advertise the wage, the ones that advertise good wages do not seem to be around that long on these job boards.Guilty as charged!
I am in my 3rd month of my 6th job Ive had since 2019.
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Salaries in the UK are not good. The standard of living was a shock to me when I moved back to the UK. Salaries need to rise substantially for all. I get it that the country is not doing that great financially but if you are working for a multinational company and are UK based you are being taken for a ride by the company.
I've seen some roles in IT fall to incredibly low salaries considering the skills and experience being asked.
I'm on a reasonable salary but I recently had to recruit someone in the US working for me. So a similar job but with less experience needed. The salary over there had to be far, far, higher to attract any applicants. If it wasn't for my family being here I would have asked to relocate there and take the job I was advertising for
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Must have at least 5 years experience in:I've seen some roles in IT fall to incredibly low salaries considering the skills and experience being asked.
I'm on a reasonable salary but I recently had to recruit someone in the US working for me. So a similar job but with less experience needed. The salary over there had to be far, far, higher to attract any applicants. If it wasn't for my family being here I would have asked to relocate there and take the job I was advertising for
- Network Administration (CCNP level)
- Checkpoint/Palo Alto/Fortinet Firewalls
- Windows and AD Administration
- SAN Administration
- Office 365 support and migrations
- Cisco UCM
- Cisco Meraki
- Azure/AWS/Google Cloud
- Python programming & Automation
- SNMP and Management Tooling
- Linux Administration and shell scripting
- MySQL
- Mind reading and delivering solutions based upon sketchy requirements
Also must participate in 24/7 on-call rota and do weekend work.
Pay: £33K LOL!
That's the sort of nonsense I've seen idly looking at jobs outside London to get an idea of what's out there. Those jobs are usually MSPs looking for a unicorn.
I'm not sure they do find people tbh, or it takes a long time. Or someone just lies about their experience. I often see the same posts listed for months with silly requirements.
Things like Azure administration are a job in itself and can pay a lot especially with the architect etc qualification. They'll want double that.
Things like Azure administration are a job in itself and can pay a lot especially with the architect etc qualification. They'll want double that.
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Those jobs just come across as ridiculous to me. It's extremely difficult to be a good IT generalist now because things have got so much more complicated over time. Anyhow, yeah, I think they either have no idea what they want so have vomited out buzzwords, or are actually looking for some sort of autistic IT savant that can live on fresh air.
I used to really enjoy working across multiple disciplines but it's just impossible to be good at everything now unless you're in that tiny percentage of people who have a sponge-like brain and excellent comprehension. Even in my current job we have been silo'd into specialised sub-teams because things were becoming unmanageable.
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They don't get this problem in Austria as its illegal to advertise jobs without stating salary. Wish other countries would follow.
And the usual they want 10 years experience for a piece of software which has only been around for 5
I have been working in Azure for about 8 years, I have both Azure Administrator Associate and Azure Solutions Architect Expert cert. When I was briefly looking for remote jobs in the UK and I was still being low balled.
When I applied for a job last year, they asked if I was willing to take a 10K a year paycut to join them. The cheek!
Those jobs just come across as ridiculous to me. It's extremely difficult to be a good IT generalist now because things have got so much more complicated over time. Anyhow, yeah, I think they either have no idea what they want so have vomited out buzzwords, or are actually looking for some sort of autistic IT savant that can live on fresh air.
I used to really enjoy working across multiple disciplines but it's just impossible to be good at everything now unless you're in that tiny percentage of people who have a sponge-like brain and excellent comprehension. Even in my current job we have been silo'd into specialised sub-teams because things were becoming unmanageable.
I got hit by this in my last job. Hired to be an System Engineer and was dropped in a MASSIVE SAP migration project to Azure. I was expected to do the Azure Networking part, which is a beast on its own and very complicated. That's why you dont get many dedicated Azure Network engineers. I dont even have that cert myself and I told them they needed a Azure network specialist to do that part. Well, I didnt last 3 months at that job
They want every IT skill in one person thinking its still the 1990's and the early 2000's.Now in my current job, I dont get that problem. I pull people in who are more experienced in certain areas to help me. While I still know to stay in my lane and dont try being the master of everything.
I could step in a puddle outside and I'd blame it IT guys. My neighbour could drive over my cat and I'd blame the IT guys. They're beyond useless at everything else so I have to find a reason to tolerate their pitiful existence.
But completely ignore the fact that the modern world functions because of IT guys
Unplug a few network cables and whole companies collapse.
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The day I gave up on the idea of having to know as much as possible about EVERYTHING tech-wise was a glorious one. As much as I'd like to re-certify on stuff I've done in the past, life is too short for that.
I still tinker with things for fun at home, but at work, I have learned to embrace the silo.
Best advice to newbies now IMO is to pick something specialised that you find interesting and git gud.
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That barely covers rent in london now with over 50% of that salary going towards rent.
The unreasonably ideological austerity and Brexit are the things that destroyed us by stifling our recovery.
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COVID and Putin's war have done far more damage than Brexit tbh. Brexit was barely noticeable in most industries. In the IT/digital world the US is much more important than Europe.
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Both my partner and I work for large corps with head offices in California. They passed a law a year or so ago which says they have to state a salary range for any advertised role. Which leads to our internal portals having to show salaries (in USD) and you can directly compare. If anything shows how awful UK salaries are, it’s this. Salaries on the same level are almost double even when converted to GBP. It’s insane. We complain about the Americans being arrogant etc in the workplace but you can see why!
People say “oh but they have healthcare etc to pay for” but uhh no, they have company healthcare just like us. It’s just crazy. Obviously the divide over there is massive between the “working” and middle classes, but if you’re in a good corporate job at a Director level or above for example, you’re essentially what used to be middle class over here. Which is very well off, big house, lots of money to spend even on top of a big mortgage etc. Over here at the same level you’re just getting by
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