My bad, you're right. It supposed to say the 'wire insulation' rather than shielding.
Surround Sound and HiFi Cable
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Instead of spending money on yet more expensive gear, magic cables, and winky bits of Hi-Fi tweakery, put it into proper setup and room treatment.
The tech exists. Calibrated mics are available from under £150. The software to measure a room and see on a graph what difference moving the speakers or adding some absorption makes is free. No more guess work.
Maybe then, Hi-Fi performance would move forward, and then there’d be a better chance of telling if some cable or new bit of gear was actually worth the money.
The tech exists. Calibrated mics are available from under £150. The software to measure a room and see on a graph what difference moving the speakers or adding some absorption makes is free. No more guess work.
Maybe then, Hi-Fi performance would move forward, and then there’d be a better chance of telling if some cable or new bit of gear was actually worth the money.
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I just purchased some Kimber Kable 4VS pre-owned, it will be going on some Fyne Audio F502 speakers. I'm going to re-terminate the ends first.
It's this cable on Kimber's website, specs on link
https://kimber.com/products/4VS
It's this cable on Kimber's website, specs on link
https://kimber.com/products/4VS
I have been testing the Kimber Kable today. I have filmed this on an Nokia X10, mobile phones never fully capture the differences but hopefully you will hear some difference.
The source output is set to mono, one speaker is using 4mm DCSK, the other speaker is using Kimber Kable 4VS. Amplifier volume is identical for each recording. When recording each speaker I'm using the amplifier balance control to only play on that speaker. You should find the Kimber Kable has more clarity.
Also this is being streamed from Amazon Music, however due to mono playback I can't select direct mode. Playing via windows sound always sounds worse than direct mode.
4mm DCSK
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Kimber Kable 4VS
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To clarify this is only showing the difference with Kimber speaker cable. The mains conditioning, power cables, power block, ethernet filters, interconnects are the same for both tests.
The source output is set to mono, one speaker is using 4mm DCSK, the other speaker is using Kimber Kable 4VS. Amplifier volume is identical for each recording. When recording each speaker I'm using the amplifier balance control to only play on that speaker. You should find the Kimber Kable has more clarity.
Also this is being streamed from Amazon Music, however due to mono playback I can't select direct mode. Playing via windows sound always sounds worse than direct mode.
4mm DCSK
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Kimber Kable 4VS
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To clarify this is only showing the difference with Kimber speaker cable. The mains conditioning, power cables, power block, ethernet filters, interconnects are the same for both tests.
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Alpha Audio has just done a huge 32 speaker cable test.
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I'm sure they finish their review by starting cables make a difference, but we couldn't measure it
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Worse than that - they've dumped a load of meaningless graphs into the reviews without explaining what they supposedly show, and then double down on the audiophile nonsense with stuff like this:I'm sure they finish their review by starting cables make a difference, but we couldn't measure it
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Tens of thousands of pounds of audiophile fuses here.
Bet you wish you were as considerably rich as me.
Bet you wish you were as considerably rich as me.
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I always find silver based cables too forward and too bright whihc in more often than not too fatiguing.
My fave speaker cable is a freebie I got when I bought a set of speakers. it is Chord company (can't remember) what it was called. Stuck it in every system regardless albeit my main setup and I just love it as it didn;t cost me anything.
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Don't know why I'm bothering posting on this but still.
One of the takeaways from the Alpha Audio testing is low inductance is important. Kimber 8PR has a series inductance of 0.12uH / meter, the 4VS I use is 0.25uH / meter. Regular multistrand copper cable is around 1.0 to 1.5uH / meter.
I did another video, this is with only a Nokia X10, smart phones never pick up correctly what's in the room, so any difference you hear is far greater.
Below is 4mm DCSK, single run with metal jumpers in place
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Below is bi-wiring with a double run of Kimber 4VS. Both these videos are streaming on a HTPC from Amazon music.
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The picture below is how that speaker is wired in video above. Using identical cable and length to bi-wire no phase issues are introduced. The banana plugs are Nakamichi Ultimate and cleaned with DeoxIT D5S-6 before fitting.
The following is single run of Kimber Kable but replacing the metal jumpers with Kimber jumpers. The Kimber jumpers are an upgrade over the factory metal jumpers, however in the end the bi-wiring above was better.
People say bi-wiring makes no difference but it's not true. Steve Guttenberg reviewed the F500 that is the bookshelf version of the F502, and he said the F500 was better on bi-wire. I've linked the youtube video where he mentions this.
youtu.be
One of the takeaways from the Alpha Audio testing is low inductance is important. Kimber 8PR has a series inductance of 0.12uH / meter, the 4VS I use is 0.25uH / meter. Regular multistrand copper cable is around 1.0 to 1.5uH / meter.
I did another video, this is with only a Nokia X10, smart phones never pick up correctly what's in the room, so any difference you hear is far greater.
Below is 4mm DCSK, single run with metal jumpers in place
Google Photos
photos.google.com
Below is bi-wiring with a double run of Kimber 4VS. Both these videos are streaming on a HTPC from Amazon music.
Google Photos
photos.google.com
The picture below is how that speaker is wired in video above. Using identical cable and length to bi-wire no phase issues are introduced. The banana plugs are Nakamichi Ultimate and cleaned with DeoxIT D5S-6 before fitting.
The following is single run of Kimber Kable but replacing the metal jumpers with Kimber jumpers. The Kimber jumpers are an upgrade over the factory metal jumpers, however in the end the bi-wiring above was better.
People say bi-wiring makes no difference but it's not true. Steve Guttenberg reviewed the F500 that is the bookshelf version of the F502, and he said the F500 was better on bi-wire. I've linked the youtube video where he mentions this.
FYNE F500, does it compare with KEF's LS50 Meta?
I've been itching to review a FYNE speaker for years, the F500 is the first, but probably won't the last.More info here https://www.fyneaudio.com/product/f50...
youtu.be
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I guess it varies to speaker to speaker. Predominantly I have had Bowers speakers the most and in most cases they would be ny argument for Bi-wiring. The only Bowers speaker I have ever owned which weren't Bi-wired was the PM-1'sDon't know why I'm bothering posting on this but still.
One of the takeaways from the Alpha Audio testing is low inductance is important. Kimber 8PR has a series inductance of 0.12uH / meter, the 4VS I use is 0.25uH / meter. Regular multistrand copper cable is around 1.0 to 1.5uH / meter.
I did another video, this is with only a Nokia X10, smart phones never pick up correctly what's in the room, so any difference you hear is far greater.
Below is 4mm DCSK, single run with metal jumpers in place
Google Photos
Below is bi-wiring with a double run of Kimber 4VS. Both these videos are streaming on a HTPC from Amazon music.
Google Photos
The picture below is how that speaker is wired in video above. Using identical cable and length to bi-wire no phase issues are introduced. The banana plugs are Nakamichi Ultimate and cleaned with DeoxIT D5S-6 before fitting.
The following is single run of Kimber Kable but replacing the metal jumpers with Kimber jumpers. The Kimber jumpers are an upgrade over the factory metal jumpers, however in the end the bi-wiring above was better.
People say bi-wiring makes no difference but it's not true. Steve Guttenberg reviewed the F500 that is the bookshelf version of the F502, and he said the F500 was better on bi-wire. I've linked the youtube video where he mentions this.
It's probably dependent on the crossover design.
Fyne Audio mention bi-wiring on this link.
How To Wire Hi-Fi Speakers - FYNE AUDIO
Let’s talk about the ways you can get the best from your system. Here is the what, why and how of wiring and connecting your speakers.
www.fyneaudio.com
The other thing that's happening be it very minor, is when you add a speaker jumper your adding another connection in the speaker wiring chain, the more connections the more resistance. So if you look at my photo where I have the Kimber jumpers, for the high frequencies there is more impedance in the cable path. Again I think this a minor difference, but even so it can't be helping.
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Tens of thousands of pounds of audiophile fuses here.
Bet you wish you were as considerably rich as me.
Sorry for the low quality, best I found with text.
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It's funny you should say that. It been a while since I last heard my main setup (must be at least 3-4 years now) and took it apart and put it in storage. Now I did get jumper cables with them as they are in my drawer but for the life of me I can't remember if they were present or if I took them off for Bi wiring. It doesn't make sense for them to be attached if you are Bi Wiring.It's probably dependent on the crossover design.
Fyne Audio mention bi-wiring on this link.
How To Wire Hi-Fi Speakers - FYNE AUDIO
Let’s talk about the ways you can get the best from your system. Here is the what, why and how of wiring and connecting your speakers.
The other thing that's happening be it very minor, is when you add a speaker jumper your adding another connection in the speaker wiring chain, the more connections the more resistance. So if you look at my photo where I have the Kimber jumpers, for the high frequencies there is more impedance in the cable path. Again I think this a minor difference, but even so it can't be helping.
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Yes if your bi-wiring you don't want the jumpers in place.