Mclaren might be in the poo big time [ANCIENT THREAD REVIVAL]

Thursday by the looks of it will be a huge day of outcomes.

Is the 'new' evidence about this story something to do with these emails going aroud the McLaren drivers by any chance?

I havnt really read the whole story about this.

I actually thought this whole thing was pretty much over. There were a hearing, McLaren were found not guilty, using the data to make thier car 'faster' than the Ferrari. They did get the no points scoring though in the Hungarain race.

I thought they would have moved on but I guess not. I hate this whole story as the focus pretty much these days is on this story and not the racing. We have a great championship that could go pretty much 4 ways. Maybe just 3 now, unless Massa gets some unbelievable luck in the remaining 4 races.

If McLaren are found guilty, surely they wont be banned from this season's competition?

That in my view would a huge disappointment for the sport and for the fans.

They were found guilty at the first hearing but as they argued only their chief engineer had it and it didn't benefit them they didn't really get a punishment. Only that if further evidence comes to light that the info was used they could face a 2 year ban.

FIA president set up an appeal as Ferrrari and a few other thought you can benefit from technical data by other ways than just copying parts and that the chief engineering having it is bad enough as it is.

FIA now seem to have been tipped of or something that it was more widespread than this and requested email and other correspondence between the team drivers. AFAIK they cooperated with this.

There's meant to be emails where De La Rosa is telling Alsono that they now know how the Ferrari's work so well with the Bridgestones. If true it becomes obvious that quiet a few people must have had access to this data if the teams main test driver has been working on its secrets. Ferrari stuck with Bridgestone when there were 2 manufacturers and spent years learning about the Bridgestones. Now it looks like thanks to the Ferrari data McLaren didn't have to work on the setup but just saw what Ferrari had done.

Again if true it kinda makes a mockery of Ron Dennis saying the data wasn't shared with any other team members and that it wasn't used in any way. Sounds as believable as the Iraqi Information Minister saying there were no tanks in Baghdad. Either he didn't know about it (in which case he doesn't have a clue what his team are doing) or he did and lied about it.

If these emails do exists and/or there's other evidence that we haven't heard about yet then the team need to be punished and quite severely at that, both constructors and drivers championships. They won't be banned and I think it wouldn't be good for the future of the sport if they were. But maybe something like they can't score points in the last races of the season and the first couple of next would be a compromise.
 
Just remember Michael Schumacher's "Draconian Penalty" when he was found guilty of ramming JV to try and win points.
The penalty was applied to the season that had just finished when no harm could be done :rolleyes:
 
way i see it is, a ferrari employee took the documents etc, if anyone should be fined it should be him, not the people he took it to.
Exactly. Whatever McLaren may or may not have done with the information, let us not forget that, if Ferrari had their house in order, this would never have happened.
Arc said:
Problem is that they may have acted on the data they received. All will become clear on Thursday.
Will it though?

If McLaren are found guilty beyond all resonable doubt of having used the information to their advantage then they should be penalised by being at least thrown out of this year's championships. Harsh maybe but, should such usage be proven, I doubt either Alonso or Hamilton would wish to then go on and win the world championship as it would forever be tainted by the stigma of cheating.

My fear is that they won't be proven guilty beyond all doubt but merely on the balance of probabilities (as is the case in civil courts) and may end up being penalised when in fact they didn't act on the data at all. If this happens and they are penalised it will be a dark day for F1 and the WMSC.
 
Murderers have got off with more evidence against them than what Ferrari have over McLaren.
The outcome will be decided purely on how much pressure is put on the FIA by the abnormal amount of Italians that seem to be in high places.
 
The FIA would be cutting it's own cash cows' throat if they banned McClaren for 2 seasons, don't think personally it'll come to this.
 
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"He is one of several star names to appear at a World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) hearing into allegations that McLaren used leaked Ferrari data.

Test driver Pedro de La Rosa is also among the McLaren delegation but double world champion Fernando Alonso is not"



Didn't read your own link - tut tut tut ;)

:rolleyes: Referring to the BBC headline. Is not the team owned by Ron Dennis? Should he not have been given headline spot?
 
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To be honest that was the best racing I have ever seen, F1 had already gone down the pan by then so im not that bothered.
 
No I think the point of the headline is that McLaren are using Lewis as a trump card.

Not sure what their thinking is on that score. Something along these lines perhaps?

"Here's Lewis. If you punish us, you punish him! Not that we're guilty of anything, of course. None of us saw those plans. Except Mike Coughlan....

....and several management level employees....




....and the drivers....








....and the teaboy."



Hopefully this time they'll either find McLaren guilty and punish them, or dismiss the charges/allegations completely. That stupid verdict from last time of "well, we think you're guilty of something....but we won't punish you at all" needs obliterating.
 
in short, F1 sucks. WRC 4tw!

What a great contribution to the thread, thanks.

The FIA won't even conisder throwing McLaren out, like someone else mentioned, it's suicidal expelling one of the longest-running and successful teams to date, and the only other team challenging for the title. It'll be the Schumacher era all over again with Ferrari absolutely TROUNCING anything in their path. I suspect they'll recieve the same fate as West Ham, a massive fine and leave it at that.
 
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